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[Enoch Root]

I don't think the hit was that bad from Sieloff's point of view. However, I completely understand the reaction.

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I just can't get over how the entire team wanted to fight him.

Just wtf kind of leadership group is that?

I don't see bad leadership at all. I see good leadership. MacArthur is a vet returning from injury. Of course his team-mates are going to defend him.

And Sieloff is a nobody, new kid.

Very unfortunate for MacArthur, but that is the nature of concussions. Once you've had one, you may (but not necessarily will) be prone to more. It is a very realistic scenario to be cleared for play, but then have another one. It is definitely a grey area.

I would think the Sens have no choice here but to trade Sieloff.

[Swayze11]

I am trying to understand people's opinions on the sens having bad leadership because of this. Was one of the assistant captains on the ice supposed to skate over there and take the hit for him? Bobby Ryan and Chris Neil didn't like the hit and clearly let Sieloff know. Isn't that good leadership? Before practice were they supposed to tell all the young guys to not hit the veterans? I am really struggling to understand this.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I don't think the hit was that bad from Sieloff's point of view. However, I completely understand the reaction.


I don't see bad leadership at all. I see good leadership. MacArthur is a vet returning from injury. Of course his team-mates are going to defend him.

And Sieloff is a nobody, new kid.

Very unfortunate for MacArthur, but that is the nature of concussions. Once you've had one, you may (but not necessarily will) be prone to more. It is a very realistic scenario to be cleared for play, but then have another one. It is definitely a grey area.

I would think the Sens have no choice here but to trade Sieloff.

Sorry, a kid unintentionally causing an injury to a teammate does not deserve that kind of response. Sure, I have no problem with Ryan getting involved immediately after the hit, but Neil's and others' actions afterwards?

Sieloff didn't go out and try to injure MacArthur. The hit was borderline to begin with, and that is Sieloff's game. It's the only way he'll make the NHL.

He's young, with a new team. He needed support, not something to isolate him from the team even further. It's now Sieloff versus the Ottawa Senators. That is beyond terrible leadership. It's absolutely embarrassing.

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

I am trying to understand people's opinions on the sens having bad leadership because of this. Was one of the assistant captains on the ice supposed to skate over there and take the hit for him? Bobby Ryan and Chris Neil didn't like the hit and clearly let Sieloff know. Isn't that good leadership? Before practice were they supposed to tell all the young guys to not hit the veterans? I am really struggling to understand this.

Ryan's reaction was more than enough. It's when the rest of the guys went after him that I think most people have an issue with.

[monkeyman]

Ryan probably didn't even know it was MacArthur, he was probably just upset someone brought some intensity to practice.

[sureLoss]

Send need some passive aggressive leadership. Throw Sieloff's clothes into the shower or something

[JohnnyT]

Originally Posted by Swayze11

I am trying to understand people's opinions on the sens having bad leadership because of this. Was one of the assistant captains on the ice supposed to skate over there and take the hit for him? Bobby Ryan and Chris Neil didn't like the hit and clearly let Sieloff know. Isn't that good leadership? Before practice were they supposed to tell all the young guys to not hit the veterans? I am really struggling to understand this.

I think its everything that happen after Ryan came over and "fought" him. I highly doubt the kid meant to hurt him, and there's a good chance he didn't know about MacArthurs concussion issues. There's no need for Brassard and Neil to come over Ryan already has and for an assistant coach to tell him he needs to leave the bench? At some point someone has to step in a stand up for the kid a little bit even if it's just a "hey the kid ####ed up, he knows that, let's talk about as a team after scrimmage, but for now let's finish this scrimmage and refocus on our preseason games coming up."

[Strange Brew]

Hard not to feel a little bad for Sieloff with what must feel like the whole team turning on him. But I found it hard to conclude much from the video of that hit and frankly it is probably a good idea for the new guy to know who he needs to leave alone. Easy for me to say I guess.

[Racki]

My guess is that in the next day or two Sieloff will get public support from one of his teammates - Clarke MacArthur.

[flamesrule14]

Tough situation for both guys. Really sucks to see MacArthur leave the ice like that. Not an overly deviating hit and he looks like he was out cold. Gotta wonder if he should have even been taking contact.

As for sieloff I know that's his game and everything, but maybe he's gotta be aware a little bit and just let up a bit. Curious how intense this scrimmage was before the incident? I doubt guys were laying each other out. Save it for the preseason. Tough spot for him trying to make a name for himself though. I don't have a problem with Ryan reacting the way he did.

[killer_carlson]

I saw the clip of the hit first and didn't know who was involved other than MacArthur.

My first thoughts were:
Hard hit, but not huge or dirty
D-bag move by the guy fighting to step over the opponent. Could have a serious injury if he slipped.
I thought a vet would be having a word with whomever fought to stop being so reckless
And when I saw the player being helped off the ice I thought he must have been injured before camp to have a hit like that take him out. Surprised he was cleared.



But then I came into this thread and saw that it was Ryan who was the fighter, and that Neil and Brassard went after seiloff later. And that he was asked to leave the bench?

It's absurd.

Give MacArthur a non contact jersey. That's embarassing to have the leadership core do that.

[Itse]

I'm not calling it a bad hit because the angle on that video isn't great, but for the same reason I'm not going say that it was an okay hit either. It's possible the players on the ice saw it better. It does look like it might've been quite high or somewhat from the blindside.

I do tend to lean on the side that the players on the ice might have gotten a better look at it, and thus they might have a better idea of what kind of a hit it was exactly.

Plus there's always the possibility that there was something going on before that hit. I don't know. Luckily not our problem.

[Wolfman]

I wonder what thoughts would be if it was Backlund getting hit by a new guy or camp invitee. Some tunes might change.

[nik-]

MacArthur obviously should have had a no contact jersey on if that's all it takes. Brutal staff over there in Ottawa.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I wonder what thoughts would be if it was Backlund getting hit by a new guy or camp invitee. Some tunes might change.

I'd probably be asking why Backlund was on the ice if a hit like that knocked him out with another concussion.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

The hit didn't seem as aggressive as what ensued, that's all I can say. Bad timing more than anything and d-bag level response from the other veterans. MacArthur must be beloved by all the Sens for something like that to happen. I understand respecting the veterans, but Clarky would be facing worse hits in the pre-season games, no?

Very much agree that a non-contact jersey is in order. The Sens should be taking Smid level caution with MacArthur given those many concussions that he's missed a lot of time for.

[The Fonz]

Everyone in the NHL knows that Sieloff can hit; we've all known that for 5 years. That isn't the part of his game he should be showcasing in training camp, and certainly not on any veteran player who's role is already cemented on the NHL roster, injury history or not.

He should have been focused on showing the coaching staff he's not a 1-trick pony, and that he can actually think the game at the NHL level. That's what they wanted to see, and he just failed.

I don't think he gets another shot in this league. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

[Wolfman]

Originally Posted by The Fonz

Everyone in the NHL knows that Sieloff can hit; we've all known that for 5 years. That isn't the part of his game he should be showcasing in training camp, and certainly not on any veteran player who's role is already cemented on the NHL roster, injury history or not.

He should have been focused on showing the coaching staff he's not a 1-trick pony, and that he can actually think the game at the NHL level. That's what they wanted to see, and he just failed.

I don't think he gets another shot in this league. Stupid, stupid, stupid.

I agree, that is your teammate you're driving through the glass. No need in a scrimmage game at training camp in the NHL. Squeeze him out and knock the puck away, but his intentions were clear when he went in looking for a hit.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by Wolfman

I wonder what thoughts would be if it was Backlund getting hit by a new guy or camp invitee. Some tunes might change.

I wonder what thoughts would be if it was Gaudreau getting hit, while about to sign for a home-town discount, causing him to change his mind. I bet a lot of tunes might change.

But seriously, did you read the thread? Most seem to question whether MacArthur should have been cleared to play given what appears to be a fairly typical hit concussed him again. I would be wondering the same thing if it was Backlund in his place.

[Enoch Root]

I just froze the video at the moment of contact:

1) MacArthur was somewhat vulnerable as he was facing into the corner and looking down at the puck near his feet.

2) Sieloff jumped into the hit and left both feet

3) Sieloff put his shoulder right into MacArthur's head.

4) it's pre-season

I can't believe everyone is defending Sieloff and blaming MacArthur here.