[News] Jacob Trouba Demands Trade

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by handgroen

i can't believe this isn't the prevailing sentiment of the thread but screw this agent.
this is bunk crap and this guy thinks his clients can just circumvent the cba at will

hate this crap no matter who it is or what team it happens to.

He's not circumventing anything. This is 100% on Trouba, he's not some doe-eyed innocent being led to the slaughter. His agent is carrying out his client's wishes. Nothing more, nothing less.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

I think true north is doing quite well given the revenue they get from the spin off businesses they own from the hotel/restaurant not to mention revenue from the concerts. No doubt they have to be more careful than other teams that don't have the Canadian $ to factor in.

Taking us college defenceman that may bolt like this is something that Winnipeg needs to factor in when drafting. While no guarantee that a Canadian or European player might do the same thing, I think Winnipeg needs to do a better job fleshing out the draftee's willingness to play in Winnipeg long term than they have been. Can see Laine pulling same move in 3 years. Winnipeg may have been better served by drafting Dubois than Laine for this same reason. Does 3 years of Laine surpass a longer term commitment from Dubois? If you are trying to build a winner and have continuity, that's a serious decision to consider.

It's almost as thought the Jets didn't weren't able to retain Byfuglien and Wheeler, or extend Scheifele...

Evander Kane wanted out. So what. Evander Kane is kind of a dick, and based on the last five years, he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is. Winnipeg got Tyler Myers for someone who scored 30 goals five years ago.

Burmistrov wanted out. Burmistrov came back because Winnipeg is still better than wherever Ak Bars Kazan is, and has still never scored 30 points in the NHL.

Winnipeg's not for everyone. Guys are allowed to demand trades. Selanne would've played his entire career there.

[TheoFleury]

Tyler Myers is nothing special. Honestly that whole trade is overrated as a Winnipeg win. People act like Chevy took Murray to the cleaners but it was just a big trade involving a whole bunch of overpaid and overrated players with some B prospects thrown in.

[handgroen]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

He's not circumventing anything. This is 100% on Trouba, he's not some doe-eyed innocent being led to the slaughter. His agent is carrying out his client's wishes. Nothing more, nothing less.

nm

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Literally everyone should want Trouba. There are only two questions: can you give up assets that the Jets will want, and does Trouba want to sign with you any more than he does the Jets.

The Jets could potentially reap a return of good, experienced players. If they do that, they will instantly be in contention. I hear the whole "trade him for another young guy", maybe Nuge, but this is a team with Mark Scheifele already there and Kyle Connor coming in, they just acquired Marko Dano last year, and have Quinton Howden and Burmistrov for depth. They're pretty well set for young C's. Then there's 28 year old Mathieu Perrault who was just signed. Bryan Little's only 28 years old. and has another couple years on his deal. Unless someone's going out with Trouba, they're probably not taking a C back.

At G, this is Pavelec's last year, and they have Hutchinson and Hellebucyk in waiting, two guys who have a decent shot at becoming full fledged #1's. So they might ship Pavelec's deal out with Trouba, but they don't really need to.

On the wings? Laine is coming in and Wheeler's 29 and signed for 3 more years. Joel Armia just started to show glimpses of his potential last season. On left, Nikolaj Ehlers is one of my favourite young players in the league (really wish Team Europe had taken him) and Adam Lowry is probably going to be a good bottom six winger for a while - he's only 23. And out of necessity, some of the natural centers, probably Dano, will end up on LW, as he has before. But that seems like their weak spot at F.

So yeah, Trouba for Hall might have made just a bit of sense...

[The Fonz]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Pretty sure that if Bouma/Stajan/Gio/Brodie spoke out about Gaudreau's hold out folks would not be praising their character.

Comparable...how?

Gaudreau - contract negotiation
Trouba - trade request

Hypothetically, if Gaudreau were to request a trade, and give a silly excuse like 'lack of PP time, with Bennett and Tkachuk on the team', you better believe I'd support Bouma/Stajan/Gio/Brodie speaking their mind on the matter.

But that's not what's happening, at all. And so the 2 situations are not comparable... at all.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

It's almost as thought the Jets didn't weren't able to retain Byfuglien and Wheeler, or extend Scheifele...

Evander Kane wanted out. So what. Evander Kane is kind of a dick, and based on the last five years, he's not nearly as good as he thinks he is. Winnipeg got Tyler Myers for someone who scored 30 goals five years ago.

Burmistrov wanted out. Burmistrov came back because Winnipeg is still better than wherever Ak Bars Kazan is, and has still never scored 30 points in the NHL.

Winnipeg's not for everyone. Guys are allowed to demand trades. Selanne would've played his entire career there.

Then don't sign Kane to a huge contract and get rid of him before he causes more problems in the dressing room. Don't bring burmistrov back if he's going to bail on the team. Two bad Errors of judgment. There's a pattern developing and will continue unless they bring someone capable in. Hiring your buddy as assistant gm is good for job security but bad for the organization.

Check his front office experience on Wikipedia. Hardly inspiring.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_Cheveldayoff

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Tyler Myers is nothing special. Honestly that whole trade is overrated as a Winnipeg win. People act like Chevy took Murray to the cleaners but it was just a big trade involving a whole bunch of overpaid and overrated players with some B prospects thrown in.

Oh, cmon.

Winnipeg traded away a locker room cancer who has the law following him around on a monthly basis. An overrated distraction. Kane and Bogosian have been statistically and fancy stats out performed by Myers and Stafford. Fact. On top of that we also got Roslovic and Armia.

Would you describe that as an even trade? Good lord.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by stang

So does the fact that he'd have to be protected make any difference in his value?

Like Nurse plus for Trouba is an exempt player for an un exempt player. Does that help in values

It doesn't change a player's value.

But it definitely adds a wrinkle for managing assets.

Trouba is worth what he's worth. But for some teams, he would be a 4th (or 5th) defenseman requiring protection. For those teams, pursuing him would be a big challenge.

For this year, protection status will add a layer to potential trades, much like the cap added a dimension to trades in that they suddenly had to balance salary each way.

[Enoch Root]

Which is why RNH + Nurse might make sense for Trouba +.

With RNH gone but Trouba in, The Oilers might go the 8 skater route.

For Wpg, this solves their 4 d-man problem but adds a forward that would need to be protected.

[Enoch Root]

I doubt Trouba would be too keen on going to Edmonton though

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Oh, cmon.

Winnipeg traded away a locker room cancer who has the law following him around on a monthly basis. An overrated distraction. Kane and Bogosian have been statistically and fancy stats out performed by Myers and Stafford. Fact. On top of that we also got Roslovic and Armia.

Would you describe that as an even trade? Good lord.

I didn't say 'even', I said 'overrated'.

A bunch of overpaid 2nd/3rd line players and okay prospects. People act like it was this huge, amazing win for the Jets but I just don't see it that way.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

I didn't say 'even', I said 'overrated'.

A bunch of overpaid 2nd/3rd line players and okay prospects. People act like it was this huge, amazing win for the Jets but I just don't see it that way.

I think in context it was an amazing win. A spoiled brat of a player demanded a trade mid season. Winnipeg dealt him away in a tight spot and the 2 players sent to Buffalo were out performed by the 2 that came back. The Jets also got a 1st round pick and a prospect to boot.

If the Flames had pulled that off you'd call it the deal of a decade.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

A thread about Trouba somehow got a post with the name Hamilton in it 5 times for some reason. Impressive.

please provide a list of Trouba comparable... there is no closer comparable than Hamilton.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

I think in context it was an amazing win. A spoiled brat of a player demanded a trade mid season. Winnipeg dealt him away in a tight spot and the 2 players sent to Buffalo were out performed by the 2 that came back. The Jets also got a 1st round pick and a prospect to boot.

If the Flames had pulled that off you'd call it the deal of a decade.

No I wouldn't, the only piece I really liked was the 1st. If the Flames were in a position to move a poison player, I would want a more condensed package. Or different players. I'm just not really a fan or Myers or Stafford.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

No I wouldn't, the only piece I really liked was the 1st. If the Flames were in a position to move a poison player, I would want a more condensed package. Or different players. I'm just not really a fan or Myers or Stafford.

No ones asking you to like Myers or Stafford. They are doing better than Kane and Bogosian, and aren't a locker room distraction. Ugh whatever I dont want to argue over this . This is gettting stupid.

[Young_Guns]

If he really wants out of Winnipeg because he dislikes the city, I can't see him being happy in Edmonton either.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

please provide a list of Trouba comparable... there is no closer comparable than Hamilton.

I'm at work, so no. I don't care about comparables anway, just found it interesting Hamilton's name showed up in a thread about Trouba.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by KootenayFlamesFan

I'm at work, so no. I don't care about comparables anway, just found it interesting Hamilton's name showed up in a thread about Trouba.

and in a Gretzky thread you might see a reference to Lemieux.

In a thread about Lidstrom you might get some references to Potvin or maybe Orr.

Are you upset that you seldom get a thread about Gaudreau without Kane being brought into the discussion?

[JiriHrdina]

When it's the same person every time it's different