[News] Jacob Trouba Demands Trade

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I doubt he would accept that trade as he wants to play on an american team. The whole "he's third on the dept chart as a RHD" is a smoke screen as he's still playing over 22 minutes a game. He's simply never wanted to be in Winnipeg or Canada. It's not a lot different than what the Flames are going through with Gaudreau in that some of these american born players want to play in the US close to home.

When did Trouba and Gaudreau say this? I must have missed that.

[stang]

Yeah and my question never got answered

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by cam_wmh

Agent says they asked for a request in May. Aside from Chevy not having made the trade, what else can he do ? Not much.

So he's wanted out since May and it's now September. Peak activity for trades is around the draft. That gave Chevy plenty of time to get something done but he didn't. If he's trying to hit a home run on this one, he's probably doomed to fail as the player has more leverage by not being under contract.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Become?

The moment the Canadian dollar dropped below par they turned back into the same sad sack franchise they were in the early 90's. The salary cap and revenue sharing help... but there is nothing else to really point at and feel good about.

They are in no way a desirable destination. The only way to become one would be to become a cup contender. Good luck with that since situations like this and Kane seem to indicate nobody wants to be there in the first place.

I think true north is doing quite well given the revenue they get from the spin off businesses they own from the hotel/restaurant not to mention revenue from the concerts. No doubt they have to be more careful than other teams that don't have the Canadian $ to factor in.

Taking us college defenceman that may bolt like this is something that Winnipeg needs to factor in when drafting. While no guarantee that a Canadian or European player might do the same thing, I think Winnipeg needs to do a better job fleshing out the draftee's willingness to play in Winnipeg long term than they have been. Can see Laine pulling same move in 3 years. Winnipeg may have been better served by drafting Dubois than Laine for this same reason. Does 3 years of Laine surpass a longer term commitment from Dubois? If you are trying to build a winner and have continuity, that's a serious decision to consider.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Flashpoint

Become?

The moment the Canadian dollar dropped below par they turned back into the same sad sack franchise they were in the early 90's. The salary cap and revenue sharing help... but there is nothing else to really point at and feel good about.

They are in no way a desirable destination. The only way to become one would be to become a cup contender. Good luck with that since situations like this and Kane seem to indicate nobody wants to be there in the first place.

Nobody? You mean Kane. Trouba and his agent have said this is nothing to do with the city and is a hockey decision.

Your hysterical hyperbole is embarrassing.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Internal cap. Any GM in Winnipeg is going to have to take the same approach. People think just because there's a cap in the league now every franchise is on an even playing field. Truth is this is still a league where some teams are handicapped by finances. And since it wasn't so long ago that the Flames were one of those franchises (and they could become one again), I'm not going to criticize the moves (or lack of moves) made by GMs who are operating under budgets with less flexibility than their peers.

True north had to be well aware of the environment that they were getting into. Having an internal cap hasn't hurt Anaheim from becoming an elite team. I believe that you have a rookie gm that was in over his head when he was hired and hasn't been surrounded by a good management group that knows how to make a small market work. Chipman could spend a bit more on a gm that knows what he's doing and not bumbling through his job.

Re-signing Stempniak wouldn't have broken the bank. Casting a solid vet away who has experience working with young kids and showing them what it takes to be a pro is bad hockey management. Allocating the money that you would have paid Trouba and re-signing Ladd would have kept continuity in the dressing room and veteran leadership that a young team needs. Instead you sign Brian Strait and Shawn Matthias. Hardly confidence-Inspiring moves.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Nobody? You mean Kane. Trouba and his agent have said this is nothing to do with the city and is a hockey decision.

Your hysterical hyperbole is embarrassing.

Do you believe what the agent says? Personally I view it as him tying to make his client look better, there's no reason to just believe him or take him at his word. It's not like he's going to come out and say he wants out because he doesn't like Winnipeg, it would make Trouba sound like an entitled ass to many people. He's been in the league for three years and he wants to skip the 'paying your dues' part. Simple as that imo, but there's no way his agent is going to say that.

[cam_wmh]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

So he's wanted out since May and it's now September. Peak activity for trades is around the draft. That gave Chevy plenty of time to get something done but he didn't. If he's trying to hit a home run on this one, he's probably doomed to fail as the player has more leverage by not being under contract.

Oh agreed. I misread your original post.

[drewtastic]

Interesting Twitter chain from @mikeoncrime (Mike McIntyre Free Press) https://twitter.com/mikeoncrime/stat...71642328281088

[ricardodw]

It will be very interesting how this plays out from a contract negotiation place.

Trouba (like Hamilton) has not yet become a top pairing d-men. Both showed signs that might develop into a top defenseman.

It would appear that Chevaldayoff (and Sweeny perhaps) are/were not ready to pay them UFA top pairing money for 6 years.

What I would like to see is the Jets put forth what they what to pay this RFA with little or no leverage..... say 2.5M x2. Every day he misses of Training camp the offer drops by 100k.

Even though Trouba would be a Hamilton equivalent (maybe a bit better based on the last years performance) there is not a GM in the league that is going make him an offer him an offer sheet at Hamilton money. This is for 2 reasons.... no cap room for a 4/5 d-man AND giving up an unknown draft pick..... If the Flames had offer sheeted Hamilton and gave up their 2016 #1 ... it would have been a disaster...

ie 3 years of Tkachuk at 1M is a much better asset than Hamilton at 5.8

If Trouba wants to be traded to a place where he could play RD then sign the 2.5x 2 and the Jets would be able to trade him quite easily.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by drewtastic

Interesting Twitter chain from @mikeoncrime (Mike McIntyre Free Press) https://twitter.com/mikeoncrime/stat...71642328281088

Good for Perrault, he's always been a character guy

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

Good for Perrault, he's always been a character guy

You wonder how the Flames locker room looks at Gaudreau's hold out?


Pretty sure that if Bouma/Stajan/Gio/Brodie spoke out about Gaudreau's hold out folks would not be praising their character.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You wonder how the Flames locker room looks at Gaudreau's hold out?


Pretty sure that if Bouma/Stajan/Gio/Brodie spoke out about Gaudreau's hold out folks would not be praising their character.

That is baseless speculation, and there is a world of difference between demanding a trade and trying to get the best contract possible

[KootenayFlamesFan]

A thread about Trouba somehow got a post with the name Hamilton in it 5 times for some reason. Impressive.

[PegCityFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

True north had to be well aware of the environment that they were getting into. Having an internal cap hasn't hurt Anaheim from becoming an elite team. I believe that you have a rookie gm that was in over his head when he was hired and hasn't been surrounded by a good management group that knows how to make a small market work. Chipman could spend a bit more on a gm that knows what he's doing and not bumbling through his job.

Re-signing Stempniak wouldn't have broken the bank. Casting a solid vet away who has experience working with young kids and showing them what it takes to be a pro is bad hockey management. Allocating the money that you would have paid Trouba and re-signing Ladd would have kept continuity in the dressing room and veteran leadership that a young team needs. Instead you sign Brian Strait and Shawn Matthias. Hardly confidence-Inspiring moves.

So keep stempniak to do what exactly? Take minutes away from young players? It's not like the team is filled with 19 year old kids. And paying Ladd 6 million is a waste, he's not the kind of player you pay that much for after 30 the way he plays, especially for 6 years.

[TheoFleury]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You wonder how the Flames locker room looks at Gaudreau's hold out?


Pretty sure that if Bouma/Stajan/Gio/Brodie spoke out about Gaudreau's hold out folks would not be praising their character.

I guess I missed the news. Apparently Gaudreau demanded a trade because the Flames want him playing RW on the second line? Crazy times we live in.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

You wonder how the Flames locker room looks at Gaudreau's hold out?


Pretty sure that if Bouma/Stajan/Gio/Brodie spoke out about Gaudreau's hold out folks would not be praising their character.

Hpretty sure all the veterans are eagerly waiting the contract to get done. Everyone knows that Johnny is a HUGE part of this team taking the next step. The key difference is Johnny has been vocal about his love for the Flames, city, teammates, fans etc. He has also been a first line forward in his 2 years here.

Trouba plays behind Myers and Buff who both have term left on their deals. There have been rumors since last offseason that he may want out.

If the season opens up and the Flames go 1-5 in their first 6 games and Johnny is sitting at home maybe the vets think otherwise but players know the process.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Nobody? You mean Kane. Trouba and his agent have said this is nothing to do with the city and is a hockey decision.

Your hysterical hyperbole is embarrassing.

You really believe this?

Really?

This is about getting out...period. Where is he going to get more than 22 minutes a night?

At any time there are 180 Dmen dressing in the NHL.

The top 60 would more or less be the top 2 on each team.

He was 57th in ice time in the league last year in TOI/PG. ...34 seconds a game less than Tyler Myers, one of his supposed roadblocks to becoming a better player.


He doesn't want to play for the Jets period. Whether thats to do with the city, his relationship with the players or management/coches, or he just wants to play elsewhere doesnt really matter. It's pretty clear that he just doesnt want to be there.

[handgroen]

i can't believe this isn't the prevailing sentiment of the thread but screw this agent.
this is bunk crap and this guy thinks his clients can just circumvent the cba at will

hate this crap no matter who it is or what team it happens to.

[The Original FFIV]

Originally Posted by PegCityFlamesFan

So keep stempniak to do what exactly? Take minutes away from young players? It's not like the team is filled with 19 year old kids. And paying Ladd 6 million is a waste, he's not the kind of player you pay that much for after 30 the way he plays, especially for 6 years.

Mentor the young kids. I remember reading that Chevy didn't bring Stempniak back because he wanted to give ice time to the kids. Kids need vets to show them the ropes and how to be a pro. Going all in with kids is oileresque.

Had they still had Stempniak there would be continuity which a team needs. Can't have a revolving door every off season.

You guys need to win and win now. You win and you become an attractive place to play. Stockpiling prospect and picks is nice, but you have to put butts in the seats and winning does that in addition to making the place an attractive place to play.

Sorry to say but you have a gm with blinders on and someone who is unwilling to make the big moves to build a winner. The moose will probably be Calder cup champs but if you keep going as you have, that's the only championship you'll see in the mts centre. And that's a shame because the fans deserve more than they've been getting.