Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Or if I just hopped in with the rest of the herd?

Ah, that old schtick: Comparing those who disagree with you to dumb animals. Yeah, you're the only person on this board who ever actually thinks independently. And this tactic is just so convincing, and nobody's going to mind that you are insulting the intelligence of everybody on the board. Right.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Of the 69 U.S. Olympic roster players over the last three games, a total of 7 were playing for Canadian NHL teams at the time. That's 10%. Canadian teams make up 30% of the league.

It's not wild speculation to suggest that American players prefer to play in the U.S. And when they have the choice to play in the U.S., they tend to exercise that choice.

There is no evidence of this. You're using those numbers to fit into your opinion. Is it not possible that Canadian teams prefer to draft Canadian players over American players? And vice versa(probably not, but my point is there could be more variables at play)? The only real way to figure out if this is actually a thing, is to see if there is a high percentage of American born players leaving from Canadian teams to American teams once their ELC is up.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

No. I don't think that. Might want to work on that reading comprehension. It could happen, and it wouldn't shock me, but I wouldn't expect it.



It's foolish to bet 1:1 on an outcome that has so much variability, including the risk associated with the current contract. I also wouldn't make a bet that has me either losing money if I lose and not making money if I win.

Counter offer: Assuming Johnny plays at least 65 games, I'll bet $100 he scores at a 1.1 PPG pace on 5:1 odds. If I lose, you can have $100 bucks and do what you please with it (donate) and if I win you pay me $250 and donate the other $250 to CP.

Should be easy money for you.

You want 5 to 1 odds on a 1.1 ppg average? That is surprising.

What is your over under on points, saying he plays 80 games? Even money.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Ha ha ha I can assure you I don't have anxiety. I'm not living or dying on his decision to stay in Calgary. The jersey means more to me than the name on the back. Obviously I would like him to sign a long term deal that works for both parties but if he wants to stay here the minimum amount of time to free agency I'm not going to lose a second of sleep over it as that can trade him today for all I care and if the return is solid I'm fine with moving on post-Gaudreau.

Again, there is absolutely zero indication by his words or behaviour to suggest such a desire.

If he was concerned about location in regards to playing in the NHL, all he would have had to do was finish school and wait until August 15 of his senior season and he would have been free to sign where ever he liked.

Maybe once a guy gets older and has choice between places as a UFA, there maybe geographical advantages that are considered. Before that time though, and with the amount of money on the table for him to make his own? He isn't going to bite his nose to spite his face.

Chances are very good that he will be signed, he will not be traded anytime soon and he will be playing for the Flames for many years.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by VilleN

There is no evidence of this. You're using those numbers to fit into your opinion. Is it not possible that Canadian teams prefer to draft Canadian players over American players?

This has definitely been a thing in the past, though not so much recently.

The Canadiens have always had a definite preference for francophone players, which are not easy to find outside Canada.

Back in the ‘Save Our Flames’ days, Calgary had a misguided policy of preferring to draft Western Canadian players, because they thought they could sign them to a hometown discount. What happened instead was that they drafted worse players, because every team in the league was competing with them for WHL talent, but the Flames were not out there competing for talent from other sources. In the late 1990s, the Flames' scouting outside the WHL was a joke.

That's only two teams, but two out of six or seven is enough to skew the averages.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Again, there is absolutely zero indication by his words or behaviour to suggest such a desire.

If he was concerned about location in regards to playing in the NHL, all he would have had to do was finish school and wait until August 15 of his senior season and he would have been free to sign where ever he liked.

Maye once a guy gets older and has choice between places as a UFA, there maybe geographical advantages that are considered. Before that time though, and with the amount of money on the table for him to make his own? He isn't going to bite his nose to spite his face.

Chances are very good that he will be signed, he will not be traded anytime soon and he will be playing for the Flames for many years.

I haven't heard anything from his camp that indicates anything one way or the other. This isn't about where he's playing this year or next year or even the money. It's about when he's going to become a UFA.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

You want 5 to 1 odds on a 1.1 ppg average? That is surprising.

What is your over under on points, saying he plays 80 games? Even money.

Well technically, 5:2 odds for me.

I'd say 82 points would be fair if I were the bookkeeper, assuming he plays 80 games. It's tough to say with the new coaching though.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Well technically, 5:2 odds for me.

But 1:5 odds for the other guy, who would be mad to fade that bet.

[troutman]

Johnny,
We're sorry
Won't you come on home
We worry,
Won't you come on home
Johnny
Won't you come on home

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Tarasenko and Ekblad both played less games before Johnny and literally just signed 7.5M 8 year deals.

Agreed - so $7.5M should be the absolute cap and it'd be foolish to go higher, unless you choose to disregard risk. And just to correct your comment, Tarasenko has been in the NHL for 4 seasons and played an additional 100 games. Ekblad played 1 game less so they're more similar.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Well technically, 5:2 odds for me.

I'd say 82 points would be fair if I were the bookkeeper, assuming he plays 80 games. It's tough to say with the new coaching though.

You said he's a PPG player who is trending up and you want to make a bet he's a PPG player? You're a lot of talk.

[polak]

If Treliving doesn't get this done before the season that's another ugly distraction to start off a season under his watch.

If it tanks our season early like the three headed monster debacle did last year, he better be on a short leash.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by troutman

Johnny,
We're sorry
Won't you come on home
We worry,
Won't you come on home
Johnny
Won't you come on home

That's gotta be Fine Young Cannibals.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I haven't heard anything from his camp that indicates anything one way or the other. This isn't about where he's playing this year or next year or even the money. It's about when he's going to become a UFA.

Right...and he could have been a free agent right now by not signing with the Flames when he did.

And he has stated he wants to stay in Calgary long term.

"Honestly, I’m not even involved," Gaudreau said, "I try to stay out of it as much as possible. I don’t like getting different numbers in my head. Hoping for this, hoping for that, how many years—it’s just, I don’t really enjoy that stuff. Whatever my agent thinks is best for me is what I’m going to do. He does a really good job with his players, so I have all the faith in him that he’ll get something done.”

Gaudreau flew in to Ontario from his home in South Jersey this week to surprise the under-20s at GCamp but made sure to spend time with his boy Monahan in London, Ont., before making his way to Toronto.

“I’m not sure how his deal’s going, but we’re on the same page," Gaurdeau said. "We’re both really excited we’re in Calgary. It’s a great city that’s so passionate about hockey, and the fans are great to us. We both want to be there for a long time with how great that city’s treated us the past two years."

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/j...rld-cup-coach/

[polak]

Didn't his camp say they wanted long term too? It's all about money and it makes total sense from what we've seen Brad do so far.

He's trying to get Gaudreau at under 7 which is a ####ing insult.

[Travis Munroe]

Originally Posted by polak

If Treliving doesn't get this done before the season that's another ugly distraction to start off a season under his watch.

If it tanks our season early like the three headed monster debacle did last year, he better be on a short leash.

We have no idea what is really going on behind closed doors. Johny's camp has just as much potential to blame for a ugly start as Treliving. I have confidence based on Trelivings past and believe we will look back in 4-5 years and praise him when we have that extra cap space to sign somebody.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by polak

If Treliving doesn't get this done before the season that's another ugly distraction to start off a season under his watch.

If it tanks our season early like the three headed monster debacle did last year, he better be on a short leash.

so he should overpay? If the player is being un-reasonable how is it his fault

[corporatejay]

Next person who uses the term Gio-cap needs to get banned.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

Agreed - so $7.5M should be the absolute cap and it'd be foolish to go higher, unless you choose to disregard risk. And just to correct your comment, Tarasenko has been in the NHL for 4 seasons and played an additional 100 games. Ekblad played 1 game less so they're more similar.

Might want to check your facts, Tarasenko had only played 3 seasons, and had less points than Johnny had in his two. I fail to see how that makes 7.5 the absolute cap.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by polak

Didn't his camp say they wanted long term too? It's all about money and it makes total sense from what we've seen Brad do so far.

He's trying to get Gaudreau at under 7 which is a ####ing insult.

And JG's camp wants over 8 which is ridiculous.