Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Is that a sign of weakness or am I just reading too much into the comment? I don't recall Brad Treliving ever calling negotiations "painful".

You're reading too much into the comment IMO. It's a tough situation for a guy whose financial future is on the brink of being decided.

Imagine you were negotiating your salary for the next 8 years and it had taken way longer than you hoped.

Originally Posted by UKflames

Surely it is only as 'painful' as his agent wants it to be, isn't he the one doing all of the negotiating?? I thought Jonny was taking a back seat and letting his agent do all of the leg work, which is what it should be. If it is still painful I read into it that his agent is playing hard ball when Jonny just wants it done. Just my opinion.

Agents work for players. If Johnny just wanted it done, it would be done.

[Machiavelli]

Originally Posted by Party Elephant

Is that a sign of weakness or am I just reading too much into the comment? I don't recall Brad Treliving ever calling negotiations "painful".

He says himself it's painful because he's thinking about it every day.

[FBI]

This is even painful for me (sad I know),
So imagine how painful it is to him.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Machiavelli

He says himself it's painful because he's thinking about it every day.

Yeah, but he didn't really call the negotiations "painful". He called being without a contract painful - it's a subtle but important difference (that the reporter didn't catch).

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Surely it is only as 'painful' as his agent wants it to be, isn't he the one doing all of the negotiating?? I thought Jonny was taking a back seat and letting his agent do all of the leg work, which is what it should be. If it is still painful I read into it that his agent is playing hard ball when Jonny just wants it done. Just my opinion.

I would fully suspect Johnny and his Agent are on the same page.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

The Canucks would do it in a nanosecond.

You think? Because frankly I take that package for Johnny without hesitation.
Jo Levi looks like he will be a solid dman, probably a 2 or 3
Hovart has been over-rated but he is a good player that could mature into an excellent two way forward
Boeser is the prize here in my view. Could be a top line player
And then Virtanen is a wild card.

That's 4 SOLID pieces.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

You're reading too much into the comment IMO. It's a tough situation for a guy whose financial future is on the brink of being decided.

Yes it surely must be very stressful wondering if you are going to make 65 dollars over the next 8 years or 55M.
That would keep me up.
I rarely object to what hockey players make but it should NEVER be termed as their financial future being on any sort of brink.
What is likely stressful is that he doesn't know if it will get done before he's supposed to be in camp or not. That's what is stressful.
There sure as sh** ain't no financial brink here.

[Fighting Banana Slug]

Financial future on the brink is ridiculous of course, but I do think it would be stressful for anyone in that situation. I take Johnny's words at face value: he as been thinking about it a lot.

[polak]

The only way it's stressful is if he's really considering holding out....

[StrykerSteve]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

You think? Because frankly I take that package for Johnny without hesitation.
Jo Levi looks like he will be a solid dman, probably a 2 or 3
Hovart has been over-rated but he is a good player that could mature into an excellent two way forward
Boeser is the prize here in my view. Could be a top line player
And then Virtanen is a wild card.

That's 4 SOLID pieces.

Could be's and probables...

I'd rather have Gaudreau.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by polak

The only way it's stressful is if he's really considering holding out....

I think part of it is that there are a few players whose future negotiations (or current negotiations in the case of Kucherov) might be impacted based on what JG gets. You don't want to the "that guy" (agent or player) who ruins it for the rest. There is pressure from agents, peers and the PA in these situations.

While Johnny has the ultimate veto on what contract he accepts, it's not an easy decision to make.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

Fair enough. It's meaningless though because it doesn't matter if they have interest or not. He wouldn't sign with them anyway, so what does it matter who Edmonton or Vancouver drafted in the last four years?

There is no team that will give up 4 future 1st round picks.

Imagine how fired Treliving would be if he traded the Flames 2016 1st round pick for Hamilton rather than the 2015 pick.

At the time of the Hamilton trade it would have long odds that the Flames were going to pick in the top 10 over the next 4 years.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Yes it surely must be very stressful wondering if you are going to make 65 dollars over the next 8 years or 55M.
That would keep me up.
I rarely object to what hockey players make but it should NEVER be termed as their financial future being on any sort of brink.
What is likely stressful is that he doesn't know if it will get done before he's supposed to be in camp or not. That's what is stressful.
There sure as sh** ain't no financial brink here.

The difference between 10M over 8 years? Yea, that is a significant amount of money to be concerned over. Now consider that they may be looking at shorter deals, and now you could be looking at much less guaranteed money.

If you don't think that's stressful, that's fine. But its clearly a very stressful decision for Johnny.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

There is no team that will give up 4 future 1st round picks.

That's crazy talk. You listed a few team recent draft picks who had lottery teams, how about from good to great teams?

More often than not, 1st round picks don't end up becoming career NHLers, let alone impact players, let alone superstar players.

The certainty of bringing in a young superstar like Gaudreau would be a very easy decision for a lot of teams. Especially when you add in the fact that he can literally increase the value of other players, something we've seen only very special players do. I don't think we'd be getting Shinkaruk for Granlund if he didn't have that stretch with Johnny. I don't think Hudler was really worth a 2nd and 4th round pick? Jooris probably shouldn't even be in the NHL, yet he just signed a deal with the Rangers.

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Imagine how fired Treliving would be if he traded the Flames 2016 1st round pick for Hamilton rather than the 2015 pick.

At the time of the Hamilton trade it would have long odds that the Flames were going to pick in the top 10 over the next 4 years.

You really think Treliving would have been fired for trading a 2016 1st instead of a 2015 1st? Most people thought the Flames would be a playoff team again last year . . .

I think you are completely off base.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

The difference between 10M over 8 years? Yea, that is a significant amount of money to be concerned over. Now consider that they may be looking at shorter deals, and now you could be looking at much less guaranteed money.

If you don't think that's stressful, that's fine. But its clearly a very stressful decision for Johnny.

Thought and prayers go out to Johnny during this stressful time

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

The difference between 10M over 8 years? Yea, that is a significant amount of money to be concerned over. Now consider that they may be looking at shorter deals, and now you could be looking at much less guaranteed money.

If you don't think that's stressful, that's fine. But its clearly a very stressful decision for Johnny.

Regardless Johnny is about to be paid money that can be considered generational wealth as a 23 year old and he likely has another big payday left. I don't think he is stressed about then $ amounts.because he has been clear that he hasn't been involved in the discussions. I think he is stressed that the regular season is less than a month away and he still.doesnt have a deal. That would be nerve racking for anyone in his position. He wants to focus on hockey and not have this contract put to bed. I suspect he is signed the first week of October

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

You think? Because frankly I take that package for Johnny without hesitation.
Jo Levi looks like he will be a solid dman, probably a 2 or 3
Hovart has been over-rated but he is a good player that could mature into an excellent two way forward
Boeser is the prize here in my view. Could be a top line player
And then Virtanen is a wild card.

That's 4 SOLID pieces.

Geez, gotta disagree strongly on that one, Jiri. Especially since you stated "without hesitation".

That package to me points to the standard quality for potential quality/quantity trade that the quantity reveiving GM loses nine times out of ten.

You look at each of those prospects individually and it gets a little exciting thinking about what could be, but at the end of the day you're giving up a current NHL star/potential superstar that are quite rare to acquire to get those nice pieces.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

The difference between 10M over 8 years? Yea, that is a significant amount of money to be concerned over. Now consider that they may be looking at shorter deals, and now you could be looking at much less guaranteed money.

If you don't think that's stressful, that's fine. But its clearly a very stressful decision for Johnny.

Do you really believe that's what's stressing him out RIGHT NOW. Are do you think what is stressing him out is not being on the ice to start the season.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Geez, gotta disagree strongly on that one, Jiri. Especially since you stated "without hesitation".

That package to me points to the standard quality for potential quality/quantity trade that the quantity reveiving GM loses nine times out of ten.

You look at each of those prospects individually and it gets a little exciting thinking about what could be, but at the end of the day you're giving up a current NHL star/potential superstar that are quite rare to acquire to get those nice pieces.

That's a valid POV but I think those are 4 very good players. The guy I frankly like the least is Virtanen. But I think you are getting 4 guys that are very likely to be either top 6 forwards or top 4 dmen. I think you've got a couple guys with higher potential (Levi and Boeser) and a big-time glue guy in Horvat.
Nope I make the deal.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

Do you really believe that's what's stressing him out RIGHT NOW. Are do you think what is stressing him out is not being on the ice to start the season.

I think the whole situation is stressful, that includes the money, the term, and the fact that a deal still hasn't been struck this close to the season.

Its a bit short sighted to think only one of those factors could be stressing him out right now.