Official (Alberta) Oil Discussion Thread

[nik-]

Yes please.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

That's all it takes to get people excited? He might approve one absolute no-brainer of a pipeline sometime in the next three years? That's nowhere near good enough.

[Fuzz]

Funny that the one he may approve is an American company. EE is still a no-brainer. Hope that goes eventually.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That's all it takes to get people excited? He might approve one absolute no-brainer of a pipeline sometime in the next three years? That's nowhere near good enough.

Considering they're letting discussion of Energy East get shut down by tantrums, It's a start that I'll take.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That's all it takes to get people excited? He might approve one absolute no-brainer of a pipeline sometime in the next three years? That's nowhere near good enough.

Baby steps.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Well that's just depressing.

[peter12]

From the piece.

“There is no consent there and we are at great risk of impacting Canada’s most successful urban economy,” Robertson told reporters in Ottawa during a June visit to advocate against the pipeline.

Of course, this is partially due to the economic brinkmanship by his own government that has been part of the decline of the previous most successful Canadian urban economy.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

That's all it takes to get people excited? He might approve one absolute no-brainer of a pipeline sometime in the next three years? That's nowhere near good enough.

By Christmas it needs to be approved.

I like Trudeaus approach, methodical evaluation and then approve. If Energy East gets the same treatment that will be great and he can look like an environmental champion taking a measured approach by rejecting Northern Gateway.

We get new pipelines to each coast and shouod help the WCS spread.

[peter12]

I have said here before that if these pipelines are approved, then I will be voting for the LPC next election.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by GGG

I like Trudeaus approach, methodical evaluation and then approve. If Energy East gets the same treatment that will be great and he can look like an environmental champion taking a measured approach by rejecting Northern Gateway.

Sorry, but Trudeau strikes me as a pleaser. I haven't seen anything to suggest he has the fortitude to stand up to Energy East's opponents in Quebec and tell them they're wrong.

[IliketoPuck]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Sorry, but Trudeau strikes me as a pleaser. I haven't seen anything to suggest he has the fortitude to stand up to Energy East's opponents in Quebec and tell them they're wrong.

Approving EE means risking re-election. Unlikely.

[Handsome B. Wonderful]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Sorry, but Trudeau strikes me as a pleaser. I haven't seen anything to suggest he has the fortitude to stand up to Energy East's opponents in Quebec and tell them they're wrong.

'Methodical evaluation' apparently means 'wasting time pretending to pander to special interest groups'.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

Approving EE means risking re-election. Unlikely.

I think it risks losing a majority, but it seems unlikely they'd straight up lose approving EE. And it also assumes the NDP has their #### together by that point, which who knows?

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

I think it risks losing a majority, but it seems unlikely they'd straight up lose approving EE. And it also assumes the NDP has their #### together by that point, which who knows?

The pipeline still has 48% approval. Don't see this becoming an election issue outside of Montreal, really.

Same goes with TMEP. No one cares east of Burnaby.

[IliketoPuck]

EE is about the backlash right before the next election, Peter. No way the liberals risk that a few months before the next election.

Better to get the unpopular decisions out of the way early in the term.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by IliketoPuck

EE is about the backlash right before the next election, Peter. No way the liberals risk that a few months before the next election.

Better to get the unpopular decisions out of the way early in the term.

I see what you mean. Yes, I agree.

[Senator Clay Davis]

I would say it depends how popular the Liberals are. If they have strong support they'll be more willing to pass something like EE. If their numbers are in the tank that's a different story, but as of now they are sort of the only party that actually has its leader in place for the next election, so if the CPC and NDP can't get it together by then it might be a moot point.

[IliketoPuck]

Quebec is such a fickle electorate though. It takes very little for the province to shift it's vote. It doesn't have to be NDP or PC, PQ is just as dangerous to a Liberal majority (and they are always lurking in the background).

[burn_this_city]

The political calculus on approving EE will depend on whether the NDP or Bloc are a significant threat in Quebec.

[Senator Clay Davis]

And predicting how the political landscape will look 2+ years out is a foolish endeavor. A lot can and will change. But again as peter said, baby steps. Good signs if nothing else.