Again, the father was not there. So why would you investigate his criminal background?
When was that confirmed in relation to when his background was reported? And the answer could simply be because it's a tabloid for the lowest common denominator.
I've never suggested that it matters. I've never suggested that the article was 'right' in any sense of the word. I'm simply suggesting that had the man been white, his criminal background would have just as likely been spewed out by these terrible news sites. The difference is, if a redneck had his child fall into a gorilla pit and his criminal background was reported, you wouldn't be on here 'defending' him.
Not to mention that the "great FB post" article is actually just wrong. Mentioning different situations where people died, or animals didn't, during an era where social media and media journalistic integrity was different doesn't prove any point. Some of it is simply garbage.
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Last year, a child fell into the cheetah exhibit at the Cleveland Zoo. The child and his parents were never identified.
Type in cleveland zoo cheetah in the ol google machine and tell me how long it takes to identify the mother. Hint: The very first article is about the mother, including her name, getting a year probation. Such a garbage article you posted.
Why wasn't there the same outrage? No animals were harmed, the child wasn't killed..
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Those other stories had human deaths though. They aren't similar, I'm at extreme awe that there's people who can't understand there's a difference between a child dying and a child coming away with a bruise. Like seriously? How come people feel bad for the father who ran over his kid, has to live with the most extreme guilt anyone could ever have for the rest of his life, while they don't feel bad for a mother who's child is alive? Hmm, yeah tough question.
There's also 0 indication that any of those people had criminal backgrounds. So I mean, the simple answer as to why their criminal backgrounds weren't reported might be because they didn't have any.
"Mourning father who lost 3 year old child to pack of hyena once committed insurance fraud" would come up as extremely tasteless even for the most tabloid of newspapers would stay clear. There's just such a difference when we're talking about the death of a human, especially a child, that trumps nearly everything else.
"Father of child who got gorilla killed has criminal background" is just so much different that it's not comparable to the other situations presented. Does it actually matter? No. But when a sizable chunk of people are already hating on the parents, petitioning to have them charged for child negligence and animal cruelty, reporting the 'villains' previous criminal history isn't that outrageous.
Thor might want to pretend he doesn't believe it, but if this was a redneck family in the same situation, I guarantee you that the father's criminal background would be on social media just the same. A portion of the population that would be reposting it would have different (but similar) agendas.
The only reason I care is because there is actually racism at an extreme level still going on. But picking these type of fights doesn't help anyone, it hurts. Now when actual racism does happen, you already have people who will cry afoul of the race-card being played because it does get played in stupid situations like this.
I agree this doesn't help much in terms of the issues with over-playing the race card, but I still think you are assuming too much and are too dismissive of why this story took the turn it did. Firstly, some of the noted stories did not involve a death, or did not explicitly state so. We don't know the race or criminal record of the parents because it wasn't reported. Perhaps all of those incidents involved recidivist black parents, I don't know, but I wouldn't necessarily assume that if the parents in this case were white, the criminal record of the absent father would be mentioned. We'll never really know, as it is all hypothetical. I'll leave it at that.
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Firstly, some of the noted stories did not involve a death, or did not explicitly state so.
But this one did. A gorilla death.
How many of those articles resulted in a death of only the animal? When did it happen? Like I've said, the comparison aren't all that apt. Using that as a basis for racism, and as shown the article simply lied at points, shows the agenda it was trying to push. It was nothing but a race-baiting article made for hits to get the SJW in a fury.
Personally I think the fact the child survived unhurt is precisely why the mums stupidity is fair game, if the kid had been killed I would just keep my mouth shut regardless of what I thought.
On top of that there's a huge difference between holding (as I do) the position that the mums an idiot who is ultimately to blame for not keeping her kid under control in an obviously risky situation to vitriolic calling her names or calling for her head.
Not to veer off topic here, but this is the reason why Donald Trump will be the president.
Rush Limbaugh: “Don’t doubt me on this. A lot of people think that all of us used to be gorillas, and they’re looking for the missing link out there. The evolution crowd. They think we were originally apes... If we were the original apes, then how come Harambe is still an ape, and how come he didn’t become one of us?”
It appears it's ignited a furor in a few people outside the SJW crowd as well.
Yep I would agree with this.
You got a bunch of people mad at the parents for the death of a gorilla. They don't know the facts, but they target the easy choice for the death of the gentle giant.
Then more information gets revealed. The family is black, the father has a criminal record, the father may not have been there. Whatever, it's all besides the point to the vast majority of people who were already angry at the mother. But now you got articles suggesting that the parents are being overly scrutinized for being black, it has nothing to do with the death of a gorilla. The ignorant Donald Trump supporters love that. They contrast that #### to the early twitter outrage of the "white boy/mother" get gorilla killed. For all the people who couldn't care less about the race, now they have to hear "I told you liberal media plays the race-card any chance it gets" and in this regard they aren't really wrong. It only strengthens their resolve against the "overly PC" crowd, and helps further the rift between the 2 sides. When really the only reason race is being brought up is because it fits the agenda of the posters.
For all the racism that goes on in the States (and certainly elsewhere), especially the institutionalized racism and the actual media bias, playing the race-card in this situation doesn't help in my opinion. Most people who are mad, are mad that a gorilla got killed, not because of the race of the boy. People bringing up race, on either side, are just two sides of the same coin to me.
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I just hope the kid dedicates his life to environmental causes.
If he grows up to be some lame bank manager or ad exec he will deserve to get trampled by an elephant while on safari.
I'll drop it after this, but Thor your "great FB post" article was absolute trash. Nearly everything in it was a straight up lie when it came to facts. Like comically dishonest.
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Last year, a child fell into the cheetah exhibit at the Cleveland Zoo. The child and his parents were never identified.
Michelle Schwab wipes tears from her face as Cleveland Municipal Court Judge Ronald Adrine sentenced her to one year's probation, including parenting counseling, after she dropped her son into the cheetah exhibit at the Cleveland Metroparks Zoo in April. (Cory Shaffer, Northeast Ohio Media Group)
You want to know who else has identified this woman and discussed her crime (being the incident in question).
So, you don't have to get past that first 'similar' situation and you can see that this is all bull####. Even the judge agreed that she had faced a harsh punishment because of the international media attention.
Of note, no animals died.
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A leopard mauled a young child who scaled a fence at the Kansas Zoo. Not a single report mentioned the criminal history of anyone involved.
Give him this one. But it was a school fieldtrip, he didn't have a parent there. Again, of note, no animals died.
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In 2014, two jaguars mauled a toddler who fell into the jaguar exhibit of the Little Rock Zoo. The child’s identity, the identity of his parents, and their criminal history was never mentioned.
The child's father, Andrew Garber,31, of Maumelle, said he was leaning over the rail to take a photograph when he saw in his peripheral vision his child go over the rail. The child's grandfather, Norman Ashcraft of Sabetha, Kan., was also standing nearby. The grandfather said the child, who was not identified by police on account of his age, fell about 15 feet into the exhibit.
So your article is bull#### once again. Pure bull####. First link, name of the parent and grandparent. Again, different situation. No animal died and an elderly grandpa dropped the child into the exhibit.
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Fifteen years ago a child fell into another gorilla exhibit and was rescued. The criminal history of the parents was never mentioned.
I'm not sure what incident he is referring to. I can't seem to find a 2001 incident, there are some earlier. As far as I can tell, no gorilla was killed. Also different time. Social media has changed the world.
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t the Pittsburgh Zoo, a child lunged from his mother’s arms into the African spotted dog exhibit and was mauled to death. The zoo actually settled a wrongful death suit with the family. I searched all morning to see if any media outlets mentioned the criminal history of the family. They didn’t.
You can easily find the name of the mother, and there's no reason to assume she has a criminal history.
The child died, and even despite that you can easily find tons of people scrutinizing the mother's actions.
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A tiger at the San Francisco Zoo mauled a 17-year-old boy to death. A drunk family member was witnessed taunting the tiger beforehand. The zoo settled with the family. Again, not a single story was written on the criminal history of anybody in that young man’s family.
Holy ####. Two seconds of looking and you can find a ton of information of the Dhaliwal brothers who were also mauled. Including the marijuana use and initial uncooperative police encounter, as well as the fact they had been charged with resisting arrest prior to the Tiger incident. I mean, there's a ton of information on their criminal history. At this point the article is comically misleading. http://www.mercurynews.com/lifestyle/ci_10215899
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Today, Paul Dhaliwal's rap sheet includes everything from evading arrest to probation violations for fleeing from sheriff's deputies while pushing speeds more than 130 mph on the highway.
A person died, also he was 17, not 3. So pretty poor comparison. I guess as a plus, the Dhaliwal's aren't white so maybe we can claim racism?
The fact that the article was caught straight up lying at least three times should be a big enough indicator for anyone with critical thinking to understand which article was really biased.
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There was an online petition to have her charged with some sort of child endangerment. The news story I heard on the radio yesterday said that 4 independent eye witnesses all said she turned her back on the one kid for a matter of seconds to deal with another kid. It makes sense that if somebody files a complaint, the DA has to look into the complaint. In a way that is probably good; somebody looked into the case and made the determination that this was just an accident in the eyes of the law.
I didn't want to start a new thread yet, figured this was related enough it could go in here.
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A search is underway for a 2-year-old boy who was dragged by an alligator into the water Tuesday evening at Disney's Grand Floridian Resort & Spa in Orlando, according to the Orange County Sheriff's Office.
The incident happened around 9 p.m. and, despite the hours-long search for the boy, officials remain optimistic.
"We are very hopeful and hoping for the best," Jeff Williamson of the Orange County Sheriff's Office said at a news conference this morning.
Orange County Sheriff's Jerry Demings said rescue crews -- including the Florida Fish and Wildlife, Reedy Creek Fire Rescue and the Orange County Sheriff's Office – were actively looking for the child at the Seven Seas Lagoon early this morning in a search-and-recovery effort but had not found him.
The boy was with his family visiting from Nebraska relaxing at the shoreline when the alligator attacked the boy.
"The father entered the water and tried to grab the child from the gator, but was not successful," Demings said.
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There are no signs warning of gators in the area, but there are notices posted against swimming in the man-made lake.
By 2030, society is going to be nothing but memes and trolling.
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A baby gorilla has been given the name Harambe McHarambeface by a Chinese zoo after an online public vote.
Pranksters hijacked the contest and the winning name - with 93% of online votes - turned out to be a mash-up of Harambe and Boaty McBoatface .
Jinhua Zoo said it would honour the will of the public and use Harambe McHarambeface as the male gorilla's English name, but his Chinese name will be Heijin as Harambe McHarambeface is impossible to translate.
Zoo officials were stunned when the contest received a rush of votes after the link was shared on social media in the US.
Harambe is the name of a 17-year-old Western lowland gorilla that was fatally shot at a zoo in the US city of Cincinnati after a three-year-old boy fell into his enclosure last May.
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