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Old 09-11-2016, 01:24 PM   #11461
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If she wasnt being supported by that pole and the lady holding her arm she would have fallen where she stood.
She was basically lifeless at that point. They had to drag her into that van.
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Old 09-11-2016, 01:24 PM   #11462
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That doesn't actually look very good.
It looks absolutely catastrophic.
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Is there a better clip than what I've seen? I'm not sure it can be rated as serious based on that shot.
I don't want to play Doctor (except with my special friends) but there ain't no way that doesn't look 'serious'. She couldn't walk and almost fell down. If it comes out that she was just totally loaded, then fine and good for her, but I doubt that.

Even a passed-out Hillary is better than a conscious Trump, but still, you can understand why people would be concerned.

On the other hand, the MAIN STREAM MEDIA is all over this story, so it probably didn't happen at all. Might have been a body double or something.
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Trump could actually be force Hillary to release her medical records if he did the same. Instead he's going to Dr. Oz to talk about his "health regimen". Both of their health and tax records should be publicly available, up to the media to ratchet up the pressure for them.
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If it wasn't for the noise about her health leading up to this, it would be nothing ... but man, not a good look.

If she was really sick though, I'm sure the DNC would have done something about it long ago no? Talked Biden into running or something?
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I've had heat exhaustion and felt like how she looked there so who knows. She also takes medication daily so maybe it was a combination of everything.
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I've had heat exhaustion and felt like how she looked there so who knows. She also takes medication daily so maybe it was a combination of everything.
Easy solution, release the records and leave no doubt. If she doesn't then she can't complain about endless speculation.
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Trump could actually be force Hillary to release her medical records if he did the same. Instead he's going to Dr. Oz to talk about his "health regimen". Both of their health and tax records should be publicly available, up to the media to ratchet up the pressure for them.
Trump is immune to societal pressure. I bet he never releases his taxes. No one will actually press him. There are too many stories for any one of them to stick.

5 years ago I didn't think Hillary would run because of her age. I've never been more cynically resigned to Trump as president than I was immediately following the video of her. It's so damning. The US election politics are fashion show popularity contests, and a crisp, still, well lit video of an elderly presidential candidate collapsing after an event can scuttle an entire campaign. The only thing worse would be some kind of mental illness, but the age and health of candidates is a major, major factor for the vast majority of voters.

That piece of video could be the election.
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Arguably the greatest president of all time was in notoriously poor health and paralyzed from the waist down. It's unfortunate that a leader like FDR would be disqualified from today's media driven charade that is a U.S. election campaign.
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Does anyone know offhand the process used to replace a candidate and the deadline for doing so?

Just curious if Clinton did step down and someone like Biden was willing to take the reins.
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If she wasnt being supported by that pole and the lady holding her arm she would have fallen where she stood.
Yep. That looks bad.
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Old 09-11-2016, 01:59 PM   #11472
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Arguably the greatest president of all time was in notoriously poor health and paralyzed from the waist down. It's unfortunate that a leader like FDR would be disqualified from today's media driven charade that is a U.S. election campaign.
FDR's health was controversial all the way through his presidency.
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FDR's health was controversial all the way through his presidency.
That is true. It also doesn't change anything about his legacy as president.

To carry that analogy forward, does that mean Trump is like Herbert Hoover?
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That is true. It also doesn't change anything about his legacy as president.

To carry that analogy forward, does that mean Trump is like Herbert Hoover?
No, he was an excellent President. Let's all just stop making analogies here.
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FDR's health was controversial all the way through his presidency.
Yes, and the lesson that should've been learned is that he was a successful leader despite these challenges. Unfortunately it hasn't been - not that I would expect the average American to have an understanding of a part of U.S. history not involving ancient aliens.
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I've passed out in the heat several times and have no underlying health problems. It was like 31 degrees in New York today and she was in a crowd and wearing all black. I would have be on the ground. Granted, I'm not running for president.
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Old 09-11-2016, 02:23 PM   #11477
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I've passed out in the heat several times and have no underlying health problems. It was like 31 degrees in New York today and she was in a crowd and wearing all black. I would have be on the ground. Granted, I'm not running for president.
Same. I had heat stroke when I was 12 and couldn't walk.

Unfortunately the video will play 24/7 as a piece of right wing propaganda even if she's fine.
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I heard Trump is already planning her funeral.
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Yes, and the lesson that should've been learned is that he was a successful leader despite these challenges. Unfortunately it hasn't been - not that I would expect the average American to have an understanding of a part of U.S. history not involving ancient aliens.
Yeah I get that, but you gotta admit that this does not look good by any stretch. Trump and his flunkies have been questioning Hillary's literal fitness for months and it just seemed like a sleazy ploy, like everything he does, but now it does seem like a legit question.

It's such a stressful gig. Even George W., who seemed impervious to stress because he didn't know what was going on, got old real fast. Obama has aged about 25 years in the last eight.
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FDR also died at arguably the most important time during the war.
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