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Old 09-11-2016, 11:46 AM   #21
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Ya, probably not the first time these guys have falsely identified and shamed someone. Creep catchers now apologizing and asking the RCMP officer for forgiveness for the mistake.

Policing is not a perfect system as resources are divided among every type of crime, but they are the only ones that should be investigating these things.
Another mis-identification closer to home http://globalnews.ca/news/2916830/al...stice-seekers/

I lump these vigilantes in with security guards who go full tacticool. Desperate for a little power, not quite smart enough for legitimate law enforcement.
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I lump these vigilantes in with security guards who go full tacticool. Desperate for a little power, not quite smart enough for legitimate law enforcement.
This reminds me of someone who used to post here.
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Generally these kind of sting operations fall foul of entrapment which is why the cops don't use them, assuming though that the 'sting' was well conducted, essentially the pedo contacted the fake child, was the one that brought up sexual content and actively tried to meet the 'child' then there's no reason not to use this kind of evidence.
Entrapment is a bit complicated but generally its only an abuse of process for the state to entrap someone. So if a civilian who is not working with police entraps someone on their own, then strictly speaking the same legal problems do not arise for using the evidence.

That said, in assessing whether to proceed with any case, the police and Crown would still typically assess whether the individual 'caught' was essentially unfairly made to commit an offence they would never have committed but for the vigilantes.

The vigilantes also seem to fail to understand that it is itself a criminal offence to aid or abet (encourage) a person to commit a crime. I suspect in some situations the police have to consider charges for all or charges for none and for various reasons elect to not charge anyone.

There are a number of other evidence problems that can arise as well. Ultimately these cases are circumstantial and proving the person on a video is actually responsible for any of the criminal luring is often not straightforward.

This officer has been arrested and released pending possible charge. It is not clear to me on what I've read so far that any charge will actually ever be laid.
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The vigilantes also seem to fail to understand that it is itself a criminal offence to aid or abet (encourage) a person to commit a crime. I suspect in some situations the police have to consider charges for all or charges for none and for various reasons elect to not charge anyone.
In hockey terms, call the interference and the embellishment. Usually this drives me crazy but in this case, I'm can agree with it.
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I disagree, these guys define vigilantism and in our modern society that goes against the rule of law.

Whether these people are doing the right thing, or whether there's an aspect where these guys are attention seekers or want to be deemed as hero's is very much up for debate.

I'm all over getting these creepy pedo's off of the street, but these people should be coordinating with the police early on in their process, instead they're risking having these creeps go free due to breaking the laws themselves.
Thank you. Amongst most people I know, I am one of the few who think they're all idiots, and most definitely not heroes. Some of them aren't any better than the creeps they're out to nab. The guy here is a freaking crook, IMO.
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The rcmp are laying charges now. It's also the second rcmp employee caught by creep catchers this year.

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-n...catchers-sting
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The rcmp are laying charges now. It's also the second rcmp employee caught by creep catchers this year.

http://vancouversun.com/news/local-n...catchers-sting
That's wrong, the other law enforcement person was a Sheriff not RCMP.
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This doesn't necessarily surpirse me. I've always thought LEO vetting was a complete joke. A few guys I went to school with that became cops were absolute bullies. Not the "My dad was a mean SOB and I'm lashing out." type. But the "I just love hurting and humiliating other people, and get off on it." type. Dudes that were simply not fit to be telling anyone what to do, let alone enforcing any sort of laws.

I'm sure a lot of people get into it for the altruistic reasons, but you're absolutely kidding yourself if you don't think a massive portion of them aren't doing it simply for the power trip to pacify their twisted ego's.
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This doesn't necessarily surpirse me. I've always thought LEO vetting was a complete joke. A few guys I went to school with that became cops were absolute bullies. Not the "My dad was a mean SOB and I'm lashing out." type. But the "I just love hurting and humiliating other people, and get off on it." type. Dudes that were simply not fit to be telling anyone what to do, let alone enforcing any sort of laws.

I'm sure a lot of people get into it for the altruistic reasons, but you're absolutely kidding yourself if you don't think a massive portion of them aren't doing it simply for the power trip to pacify their twisted ego's.
I know two guys that became OPP officers who were both drug dealers in high school. One of them was since charged with break and enter and was fired from the OPP.

I don't doubt there are a lot of people who join up because they want to be crooked and exploit the power.

My girlfriend when I was 16 was also stalked by a police office that was always trying to pick her up (she was 15 at the time).
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