The New American Politics thread

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by Buster

Your math is off.

She didn't mention "voters". She said "supporters".

Even for you, that is weak.

But I have no doubt that in a couple of weeks you will come back and boast about how you "won" this debate. Only there was never a debate. When you are on the side of pretending that Trump supporters don't include a significant number of racists, misogynists and bigots, the only thing you are debating against is facts.

[Dogbert]

Have to say, I wouldn't have used the words Hillary did to describe Trump's supporters. "Human garbage" is a lot more accurate.

[calgarygeologist]

Is the best case scenario in the election that the winner becomes unable to serve early on in their term and the vice president takes over? Pence and Kaine both seem to be far less toxic than Trump and Clinton.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

Have to say, I wouldn't have used the words Hillary did to describe Trump's supporters. "Human garbage" is a lot more accurate.

What is really sad is that the majority of these people are not bad people, they just grew up in a different time and have a much different worldview. I know a lot of Trump supporters and they all have several things in common. They are all older white people. They are all Fox News viewers. They are all Rush Limbaugh listeners. They are all poorly educated by today's standards. They are all very poorly informed when it comes to issues and how government works. Most importantly, they are all deathly afraid of becoming a minority in "their" own country. I don't consider these people "human garbage," but just people that are susceptible to being manipulated using their fears against them.

If there is any "human garbage" involved it is those who intentionally use the fears of these people to garner political support for an agenda that will actually do them the most harm. We used to be a society that appreciated our elders and respected all they did for us. We would never take advantage of them and abuse them in any way. They protected us as children and it was part of our responsibility to protect them as they aged and were unable to fend for themselves. Those that take advantage of the less fortunate or use someone's situation against them are the worst humanity has to offer. That is where Donald Trump fits. His supporters, for the most part, are misguided. But Donald Trump is a 6'2 pile of orange human excrement, because he knowingly takes advantage of people when they are most vulnerable. We, as a society, are better than that, and we have to protect each other from the predators.

[Red Slinger]

It's difficult to protect people from themselves when they refuse to even engage in a reasonable discussion about the actual issues and facts and instead are guided purely by emotion and hatred.

Buster is a good example of someone that, as far as I can tell, is willfully ignorant and obtuse. You can't have a discussion about the issues because he, and other emotion-based voters aren't interested in the issues or facts. They are firmly brainwashed and doing the bidding of the cult.

[Looch City]

I'm pretty certain he's just trolling. Has he come out and said flat out that he's a Trump supporter?

[2Stonedbirds]

http://www.cnn.com/2016/09/11/politi...lth/index.html

Her health issues are going to dog her till November.

[Fuzz]

Ya, that does not look good...from the article:
https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/...011200/video/1

[Buster]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

Even for you, that is weak.

But I have no doubt that in a couple of weeks you will come back and boast about how you "won" this debate. Only there was never a debate. When you are on the side of pretending that Trump supporters don't include a significant number of racists, misogynists and bigots, the only thing you are debating against is facts.

I've never really denied the fact that the white racists and such are voting for Trump. That's not really the point I've been trying to make.

The idea, and it isn't a worthy one, is that Trump is not a valid candidate because of who is voting for him. That logic just doesn't make sense.

If the 3rd part candidate wasn't Gary Johnson, but David Duke and white nationalists, and they dragged the "basket of deplorables" over to him... Would that improve Trump in the minds of the Trump-ophobes?

[Buster]

Originally Posted by Red Slinger

It's difficult to protect people from themselves when they refuse to even engage in a reasonable discussion about the actual issues and facts and instead are guided purely by emotion and hatred.

Buster is a good example of someone that, as far as I can tell, is willfully ignorant and obtuse. You can't have a discussion about the issues because he, and other emotion-based voters aren't interested in the issues or facts. They are firmly brainwashed and doing the bidding of the cult.

Au contraire. I'm not s Trump supporter....and I wouldn't vote for him. But I think the reasons I don't like him are better than the reasons most people in here complain about him. My problems with him are his views on trade, how he would handle the supreme court, and in some respects his view on immigration - which I think can provide tremendous economic benefits.

What I do in this thread, is point out the hysterics, the hyperbole, the inaccuracies, and the comical levels of group-think.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, that does not look good...from the article:
https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/...011200/video/1

There's almost no way that's not staged, no?

[RougeUnderoos]

We are in the presence of genius.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Buster

I've never really denied the fact that the white racists and such are voting for Trump. That's not really the point I've been trying to make.

The idea, and it isn't a worthy one, is that Trump is not a valid candidate because of who is voting for him. That logic just doesn't make sense.

If the 3rd part candidate wasn't Gary Johnson, but David Duke and white nationalists, and they dragged the "basket of deplorables" over to him... Would that improve Trump in the minds of the Trump-ophobes?

Sure, there are always going to be crazies that support certain candidates, but Trump seems to be enticing them on purpose. He has no chance to win this election without the racist and fascist support.. and he seems OK with that.

So what does that make him if not a racist himself?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Fuzz

Ya, that does not look good...from the article:
https://twitter.com/zgazda66/status/...011200/video/1

Is she even going to make it to November?

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

There's almost no way that's not staged, no?

Staged how?

[Buster]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

Sure, there are always going to be crazies that support certain candidates, but Trump seems to be enticing them on purpose. He has no chance to win this election without the racist and fascist support.. and he seems OK with that.

So what does that make him if not a racist himself?

I understand what you are trying to say I think. I just don't think it makes sense.

Clinton courts the LGBTQ community, that doesn't mean she is gay.

The people who believe in communism probably vote democrat. Is she a communist?

[peter12]

This election is a giant burning turd. Both ways. So maybe Clinton is sick, maybe she just felt a bit tired. Honestly, she probably gets 4 hours sleep a night.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Buster

I understand what you are trying to say I think. I just don't think it makes sense.

Clinton courts the LGBTQ community, that doesn't mean she is gay.

The people who believe in communism probably vote democrat. Is she a communist?

It makes her someone that support the LGBTQ community, and no, supporting that community does not make her gay. It just makes her someone that agrees with their struggle. Gender attraction is what makes someone gay. Are you really comparing Trumps support of white natiionalist causes to Clintons support of the gay community?

If she said things that praised Stalin or Mao, then yes, that would make her a communist. As far I know, she has never done that. Like I said, incidental support is one thing, but purposely enticing that support is another.

Trump on the other hand openly praised nationalist extremists like Putin and Saddam Hussein.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by New Era

What is really sad is that the majority of these people are not bad people, they just grew up in a different time and have a much different worldview. I know a lot of Trump supporters and they all have several things in common. They are all older white people. They are all Fox News viewers. They are all Rush Limbaugh listeners. They are all poorly educated by today's standards. They are all very poorly informed when it comes to issues and how government works. Most importantly, they are all deathly afraid of becoming a minority in "their" own country. I don't consider these people "human garbage," but just people that are susceptible to being manipulated using their fears against them.

If there is any "human garbage" involved it is those who intentionally use the fears of these people to garner political support for an agenda that will actually do them the most harm. We used to be a society that appreciated our elders and respected all they did for us. We would never take advantage of them and abuse them in any way. They protected us as children and it was part of our responsibility to protect them as they aged and were unable to fend for themselves. Those that take advantage of the less fortunate or use someone's situation against them are the worst humanity has to offer. That is where Donald Trump fits. His supporters, for the most part, are misguided. But Donald Trump is a 6'2 pile of orange human excrement, because he knowingly takes advantage of people when they are most vulnerable. We, as a society, are better than that, and we have to protect each other from the predators.

This certainly applies to my mother in law and many of her friends. They seem like nice people, just lost and stubborn in their ways. To them, it's also about cheering for their favorite team.

My father in law, on the other hand, is pretty despicable, IMO. Some of the vile stuff that comes out of his mouth and a lot of his actions are extremely rude, sometimes disturbing and fked up.

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Buster

I understand what you are trying to say I think. I just don't think it makes sense.

Clinton courts the LGBTQ community, that doesn't mean she is gay.

The people who believe in communism probably vote democrat. Is she a communist?

Comparing being gay to being racist? Wow. I guess you believe being gay is a choice.