Friedman: Gaudreau negotiations will be put on hold during World Cup

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

*sigh* This isn't some archaic word that isn't in use anymore. At what point did we just stop expecting people to have a working knowledge of the English language?

Don't be such a usageaster

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Hes

My post was not intended as a slight at all. I like when people post words i am unaware of so that i can google them and improve my vocabulary.

I used to be quite a Linguophobe

Yes, but you'll notice that I didn't quote you at all. Looking up words wasn't the problem. I still do it all the time. Assuming the writer should be giving you the meaning of a word, even though it's relatively common: that was the problem I had.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Don't be such a usageaster

Thanked for the use of a really good word that I hadn't heard in a very long time.

[HelloHockeyFans]

Darren Haynes explores the impact Gaudreau's performance in the World Cup could have on ongoing negotiations:

https://t.co/Xi2UG4YGsM

For example, should Gaudreau score three times tonight, including dangling around Roman Josi and going bar-down in a video clip that instantly goes viral, that's not going to hurt his cause. Same thing if he leads Team North America to the finals.

But should his impact be minimal. Should he be stifled by the top D pairings he'll see in the round-robin games against Finland, Russia and Sweden, that's not going to help his cause. If he's neutralized throughout the tournament, that could be construed by the Flames as a continuation of the difficulties he had generating offence when up against tough match-ups on the road last year.

Might he use this opportunity to establish himself as one of the world's elite players? For sure it could happen. Similarly, perhaps his performance ends up underwhelming. Small sampling or not, we would be naive to think an extreme performance one way or another wouldn't move the needle a little bit in terms of contract talks. Chalk it up as a recency bias.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

Eric Francis just called the situation "acrimonious."

He's now on Tim & Sid and says it's not... just part of the process.

[mikeecho]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would agree with him.

The recent stories would suggest at least one side has gone the media route.

Treliving has never done that in the past and I doubt he would now.

I have no doubt the Flames are the ones dropping this nugget and believe they did the same in the Gio negotiations.

[sureLoss]

FWIW Dreger's take. Keep in mind he claims not to have read Francis' report and he also has a reputation to try and discredit other reports that don't originate from TSN.

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
The next few tweets relate to a convo on 1050 w/ Dreger about Gaudreau, which reference today's report... #Flames

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger noted that, of course, "You're not going to get anyone from #Flames' management to verify" the potential Gaudreau numbers reported.

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger: "The reaction I got from some I trust there is that's not entirely accurate. But just leave it at 'This kid wants big cake.'"#Flames

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
Dreger/Gaudreau: "So it sounds like that's probably in the stratosphere. It's in the ballpark." #Flames

Chris Nichols @NicholsOnHockey
FWIW: Dreger hadn't had a chance to read Sun report yet. 1050 guys told him ask was $8M. Report actually says '$8-million range.'

[Ryan Coke]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I would agree with him.

The recent stories would suggest at least one side has gone the media route.

Treliving has never done that in the past and I doubt he would now.

The ESPN article screams that he is doing the agent's bidding - pretty standard tactic when attempting to escalate negotiations.

Very unfortunate, because escalation leads to acrimony, which often results in strained relations.

Really surprised that Gaudreau would go that route

Who knows who went the media route, but when one side is using contrived deadlines and amateurish social media PR spinning, going to the media certainly wouldn't be surprising.

I would be surprised if it was Treliving, based on his history, however I think it is more beneficial for him if these details get released. So it is possible.

Or maybe it really was 3rd parties that Francis talked to, as was claimed. That actually seems quite plausible.

[hockey.modern]

nvm

[mikeecho]

Gaudreau says he doesn't want to negotiate during the World Cup and then this article comes out the day after the first game when all the talk should be about the game. Instead all the talk is about contract. This coming out is not a coincidence and certainly pressures Gaudreau to the benefit of the Flames. Would make no sense for Gaudreau's camp to be the ones with loose lips. The Flames on the other hand...???

[dammage79]

I don't like anything about these negotiations. Other than I feel like the Flames brass and I share the same logic, anything over 7 million isn't good/disasterous long term for the team.

If it is getting acrimonious, that means there's some hard lines the Flames are taking. And I respect that.

Because in my mind, Gaudreau doesn't deserve anything close to the Kanes and Stamkos's of the world. He hasn't earned that yet. Those guys put up many great seasons before getting that kind of money.

[Teroy]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Because you learn the game as a kid doesn't make it a kids game, professional athletes deserve their share of the pie because they are the ones providing the product.

If anything the rest of the world is wrong, the Walton family bring home over $10 billion annually yet 99% of their employees make minimum wage and are starving.

Sorry, I don't agree with your logic. The only reason they are providing the product is because someone gave them a job. Besides, 99% of the Flames employees make minimum wage as well so the organization is no better than Walmart. In the scheme of things, being an athlete is of very little worldly importance. A school janitor is more important because they actually do something of value to society.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Cali Panthers Fan

*sigh* This isn't some archaic word that isn't in use anymore. At what point did we just stop expecting people to have a working knowledge of the English language?

It's a weird word. It sounds like it could mean a good thing or a bad thing. I couldn't remember which and had to google it too.
Some words just are confusing in that way.
I don't view acrimonious as being a word that really is required to be part of one's "working knowledge"
#sidetrack

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Teroy

Sorry, I don't agree with your logic. The only reason they are providing the product is because someone gave them a job. Besides, 99% of the Flames employees make minimum wage as well so the organization is no better than Walmart. In the scheme of things, being an athlete is of very little worldly importance. A school janitor is more important because they actually do something of value to society.

Was it hard to type this through the tears?

[codynw]

Originally Posted by TheoFleury

The market disagrees.

This argument is so dumb. That doesn't mean it's a good contract.

The "market" also decided that David Clarkson was worth $5.75M on a 7 year deal.

[JurassicTunga12]

It'll get it done. I say 7.25-7.5ish for 8 years.

Want it to be 6.75-7m.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by codynw

This argument is so dumb. That doesn't mean it's a good contract.

The "market" also decided that David Clarkson was worth $5.75M on a 7 year deal.

UFA market isn't the same as the RFA market. Not near as dumb as Nonis but even Treliving makes mistakes with UFA's

[Gaudreauvertime]

Mike Johnson agrees with the 8M valuation - he said "80 point players make 8M"

Interesting how polarizing this has become.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

Mike Johnson agrees with the 8M valuation - he said "80 point players make 8M"

Interesting how polarizing this has become.

Name another 80 point player making that who has no UFA rights, no arbitration rights and no offer sheet rights.

[PepsiFree]

We have a bonafide 80 point player who we can definitely count on for that total year in and year out?

Could've fooled me.