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View Poll Results: Assuming a term of 7 years what will Gaudreau's AAV end up being?
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6.500 - 6.625
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1.28% |
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6.625 - 6.750
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5 |
0.71% |
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6.750 - 6.875
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2.99% |
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6.875 - 7.000
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59 |
8.40% |
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7.000 - 7.125
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12.68% |
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7.125 - 7.250
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12.11% |
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7.250 - 7.375
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112 |
15.95% |
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7.375 - 7.500
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102 |
14.53% |
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7.500 - 7.625
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71 |
10.11% |
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7.625 - 7.750
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38 |
5.41% |
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7.750 - 7.875
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39 |
5.56% |
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7.875 - 8.000
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33 |
4.70% |
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8.000 - 8.125
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2.99% |
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8.125 - 8.250
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0.85% |
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8.250 - 8.375
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0.14% |
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8.375 - 8.500
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1.57% |
09-09-2016, 12:05 AM
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#801
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by TheScorpion
Cutler is overrated.
I think I was just confused. I was unsure about the way he was presenting his ideas.
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I apologize Scorpion. You are a good poster, I am an awful writer.
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09-09-2016, 12:06 AM
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#802
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: The Bay Area
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n/m
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09-09-2016, 12:08 AM
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#803
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First round-bust
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: speculating about AHL players
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime
I apologize Scorpion. You are a good poster, I am an awful writer.
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Nothing to apologize for. 
Quote:
Originally Posted by the2bears
That's a silly conclusion to arrive at.
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It's an uninformed observation, I admit. Just hypothesizing -- and I'm not the only one to reach this conclusion based off Francis' post.
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09-09-2016, 12:11 AM
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#804
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: 555 Saddledome Rise SE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by albertGQ
I find it funny how some posters think solving this stalemate is as simple as finding the number in the middle. If that is the case, Treliving should just offer $1M and then "compromise" in the middle and get Johnny signed at $4.5M on an 8 year deal.
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It's not that it's as simple as just meeting in the middle, it's that a number near the middle just seems to make a lot of sense given the closest comparable (Tarasenko's contract adjusted for the extra RFA year).
I hope Kucherov signs soon so we can get another comparable and hopefully narrow the Johnny-Brad gap.
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09-09-2016, 12:15 AM
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#805
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: About 5200 Miles from the Dome
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I am not sure that there is anything earth shattering in what Francis is saying. It's pretty much what the consensus around here has been for weeks no?
I am not concerned in the least. I think, just like the Monahan contract this will be done and will be fair but will not be a steal for us. I just hope that we can somehow manage the cap Moving forward with Brodie, Hamilton, Gio, Bennett, Tkachuk, Monahan, Johnny and one solid starter.
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09-09-2016, 07:08 AM
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#806
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: Vancouver, B.C.
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Are they really 1.5 million apart?I just saw the a picture of the Calgary Sun and I'm assuming Francis wrote the article. So what the Flames are offering 6.5 and he's wanting 8? if so, OUCH!
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09-09-2016, 07:12 AM
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#807
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Calgary
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Is Lewis Gross the agent that's been known to be very difficult to deal with in the past for other players?
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09-09-2016, 07:27 AM
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#808
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Some kinda newsbreaker!
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Learning Phaneufs skating style
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jackpot_Smooth
Is Lewis Gross the agent that's been known to be very difficult to deal with in the past for other players?
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Don't think so.
His bigger name clients include Martin St. Louis and Brandon Saad.
Gaudreau is/will be one of the biggest contracts Gross will be part of so far:
list of past and current clients:
http://www.spmsports.com/clients
Most of his clients are low profile players that came from the NCAA.
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09-09-2016, 07:44 AM
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#809
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Originally Posted by sureLoss
Don't think so.
His bigger name clients include Martin St. Louis and Brandon Saad.
Gaudreau is/will be one of the biggest contracts Gross will be part of so far:
list of past and current clients:
http://www.spmsports.com/clients
Most of his clients are low profile players that came from the NCAA. |
Conroy's old agent. Hopefully that's a good thing.
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09-09-2016, 07:53 AM
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#810
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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According to the Francis article the Flames are looking for $6.5M per and Gaudreau wants $8M. Meet in the middle at $7.25 and get it done!!
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09-09-2016, 07:58 AM
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#811
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Lifetime Suspension
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8x8
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09-09-2016, 08:01 AM
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Franchise Player
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First off, I'm glad we finally have some news. And it is basically what I expected. Why wouldn't the agent ask for the moon and more?
Secondly, I am ecstatic to see the Flames are offering exactly what I would offer. I think it would be quite easy to structure a deal where he is making fair RFA money, and during the UFA years he is making $7.5MM.
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Originally Posted by Vinny01
According to the Francis article the Flames are looking for $6.5M per and Gaudreau wants $8M. Meet in the middle at $7.25 and get it done!!
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Why give away $750,000 per season, if you are the Flames? That's $750,000 that can be used to retain a guy like Bennett, Tkachuk or Elliot.
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09-09-2016, 08:09 AM
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#813
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Vancouver
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
First off, I'm glad we finally have some news. And it is basically what I expected. Why wouldn't the agent ask for the moon and more?
Secondly, I am ecstatic to see the Flames are offering exactly what I would offer. I think it would be quite easy to structure a deal where he is making fair RFA money, and during the UFA years he is making $7.5MM.
Why give away $750,000 per season, if you are the Flames? That's $750,000 that can be used to retain a guy like Bennett, Tkachuk or Elliot.
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Personally, I think $7.25/year on a long term deal is fair market value. In 4 or 5 years, it will probably seem like a bargain in fact. I have no doubt the Gaudreau is going to be a top 5 scoring forward for several years, barring injury.
If we pay him $6.5 million, I don't think we get a long deal, and his next contract will probably be higher than $7.5 million. I would rather dilute the cap hit by overpaying him a little now and making it a long term deal.
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Last edited by FlamesAddiction; 09-09-2016 at 08:11 AM.
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09-09-2016, 08:10 AM
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#814
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
First off, I'm glad we finally have some news. And it is basically what I expected. Why wouldn't the agent ask for the moon and more?
Secondly, I am ecstatic to see the Flames are offering exactly what I would offer. I think it would be quite easy to structure a deal where he is making fair RFA money, and during the UFA years he is making $7.5MM.
Why give away $750,000 per season, if you are the Flames? That's $750,000 that can be used to retain a guy like Bennett, Tkachuk or Elliot.
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I.have expressed these thoughts in Bingo's thread but I would rather pay that $750K to keep Gaudreau for the max term than pay that extra money on bringing in UFA's like Brouwer or Frolik who in my opinion are at least $750k overpaid or a guy like Bouma, Stajan, Engellend, Wideman, Smid, Bollig are all the other overpaid bottom tier players on the roster.
My thoughts are if Gaudreau eventually caves to the Flames 6.5 we won't see the contract go longer than 6 years and I would rather give him $750k-$1.5M more per season to buy those other 2 UFA years.
The Flames got the equivalent of an elite 1st overall pick in the 4th round. They have to keep that player for as long as possible. If the Flames struggle to sign Bennett, Tkachuk, or Gillies in the future it won't be Johnny's contract that is the reason we can't afford to keep them
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09-09-2016, 08:11 AM
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#815
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Powerplay Quarterback
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CroFlames
First off, I'm glad we finally have some news. And it is basically what I expected. Why wouldn't the agent ask for the moon and more?
Secondly, I am ecstatic to see the Flames are offering exactly what I would offer. I think it would be quite easy to structure a deal where he is making fair RFA money, and during the UFA years he is making $7.5MM.
Why give away $750,000 per season, if you are the Flames? That's $750,000 that can be used to retain a guy like Bennett, Tkachuk or Elliot.
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They are going to have to move off that number at least a bit. No way Gaudreau signs for 6.5m unless it's for 5 years imo. I think it's going to be 7 years $50m for a $7.14m cap hit.
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09-09-2016, 08:26 AM
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#816
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Franchise Player
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I'm a little surprised this is where they are at after a summer of negotiation. This is what I believed the opening position would be for both sides.
Most reasonable speculation I have seen is that fair value is somewhere in the low 7's. Maybe one side doesn't see it that way.
Please don't tell me the Calgary Flames have a Mark Giordano cap.
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09-09-2016, 08:28 AM
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#817
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Vinny01
According to the Francis article the Flames are looking for $6.5M per and Gaudreau wants $8M. Meet in the middle at $7.25 and get it done!!
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Flames should have offered $1M then. The middle would have been only $4.5M
Negotiations are easy!
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09-09-2016, 08:29 AM
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#818
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by TheoFleury
They are going to have to move off that number at least a bit. No way Gaudreau signs for 6.5m unless it's for 5 years imo. I think it's going to be 7 years $50m for a $7.14m cap hit.
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Yep. Think the flames # is to low and Johnny's camp is to high considering how far into negotiations they are. If i was the flames, i would not pay a penny more than $7.5 on a 7-8 year deal. If i was Johnny i would not sign for a penny less than $7 million on a 7- 8 year deal. The only way the flames are getting Johnny to sign under $7 million is if its less than 7 year term. I personally don't think there is a "Gio cap", but if there is, then that's stupid.
Don't get me wrong, i would love to see Jonny sign a 8 year contract at $6.7 million per. Just don't see that as being realistic.
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09-09-2016, 08:37 AM
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#819
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: CGY
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Quote:
Originally Posted by albertGQ
Flames should have offered $1M then. The middle would have been only $4.5M
Negotiations are easy!
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Ridiculous reply. They are not that far apart now they are in the wheelhouse where the could meet in the middle to satisfy both sides.
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09-09-2016, 08:43 AM
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#820
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Still think the end game here is to follow the "Giordano" cap for the years he is actually on the team and then the last two years Gaudreau makes the market value. Also makes sense since those happen to be Gaudreaus UFA years that you are buying out.
Years 1 - 6: $6.75M
Years 7 -8: $8.5M
Works out to ~$7.2M AAV - which also seems to be pretty fair ground between Johnny's asking price and what the Flames are offering.
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