CalgaryNEXT Discussion pt. 2

[taco.vidal]

I think the Flames ownership messed this up big time. I worry we may not get a new building for a long time. Hopefully it doesnt cause some unwanted results.

The Edmonton building is awesome even if you think it looks funny. I dont think the average tax payer is outraged about the deal either.

Its embarassing that the Calgary Flames couldn't get this done. With the current economy and municpal and provincial budgets being stretched, there's going to be little appetite from the governments and taxpayers to put any miney into this. This could have been reasonably during better the past 10 years and we would have had a great building for hockey and entertainment.

Combine that with the disaster that McMahon is, its embarassing the facilities this city has. For ####s sake, Winnipeg has more modern buildings than Calgary.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

I think the Flames ownership messed this up big time. I worry we may not get a new building for a long time. Hopefully it doesnt cause some unwanted results.

The Edmonton building is awesome even if you think it looks funny. I dont think the average tax payer is outraged about the deal either.

Its embarassing that the Calgary Flames couldn't get this done. With the current economy and municpal and provincial budgets being stretched, there's going to be little appetite from the governments and taxpayers to put any miney into this. This could have been reasonably during better the past 10 years and we would have had a great building for hockey and entertainment.

Combine that with the disaster that McMahon is, its embarassing the facilities this city has. For ####s sake, Winnipeg has more modern buildings than Calgary.

With all due respect. The average taxpayer is a total ####ing idiot. They get outraged about a $5 recycling fee but are cool with a $500 million building.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Seriously, why is this still ongoing.... There's a reason a combination arena football stadium field house community track centre combination project doesn't exist in every city. It's because it's a stupid idea.

The Saddledome is kind of a dump, and it needs replacing for the modern age. Fine. Everyone can agree on that.

Build a new building on the Stampede Grounds. Maybe spend ten million or twenty million redeveloping some of the grounds so that it's not a total cluster#### to get out of. Enclose the entire tunnel to the C-Train. Or make sure there's an underground route directly to the new building.

Renovate McMahon.

Stop trying to play Sim City with real life.

I can't believe I missed this the first time around. Gold, Jerry. Gold.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Seriously, why is this still ongoing.... There's a reason a combination arena football stadium field house community track centre combination project doesn't exist in every city. It's because it's a stupid idea.

The Saddledome is kind of a dump, and it needs replacing for the modern age. Fine. Everyone can agree on that.

Build a new building on the Stampede Grounds. Maybe spend ten million or twenty million redeveloping some of the grounds so that it's not a total cluster#### to get out of. Enclose the entire tunnel to the C-Train. Or make sure there's an underground route directly to the new building.

Renovate McMahon.

Stop trying to play Sim City with real life.

Aside from the creosote issue, what's wrong with the West Village site in your opinion? It's easier to access from all major roadways running north-south (Crowchild Trail) and east-west (Bow Trail / 9th Avenue) than the Stampede site is, and it's directly accessible via LRT, bus, bike, and pedstrian pathway. There is a plan for underground parking, too.

From a transportation perspective, it's one of the very, very few available - and absolutely the most accessible - potential spaces in the urban core.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Muta

Aside from the creosote issue, what's wrong with the West Village site in your opinion? It's easier to access from all major roadways running north-south (Crowchild Trail) and east-west (Bow Trail / 9th Avenue) than the Stampede site is, and it's directly accessible via LRT, bus, bike, and pedstrian pathway. There is a plan for underground parking, too.

From a transportation perspective, it's one of the very, very few available - and absolutely the most accessible - potential spaces in the urban core.

Bow trail needs to be re-aligned first, otherwise I think the location is great.

[Cappy]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

I think the Flames ownership messed this up big time. I worry we may not get a new building for a long time. Hopefully it doesnt cause some unwanted results.

The Edmonton building is awesome even if you think it looks funny. I dont think the average tax payer is outraged about the deal either.

Its embarassing that the Calgary Flames couldn't get this done. With the current economy and municpal and provincial budgets being stretched, there's going to be little appetite from the governments and taxpayers to put any miney into this. This could have been reasonably during better the past 10 years and we would have had a great building for hockey and entertainment.

Combine that with the disaster that McMahon is, its embarassing the facilities this city has. For ####s sake, Winnipeg has more modern buildings than Calgary.

Come on taco, why you have to open this can of worms again...

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by Cappy

Come on taco, why you have to open this can of worms again...

Because Rogers Place in Edmonton opened. Its hard to see as a Calgarian what we could have had.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Because Rogers Place in Edmonton opened. Its hard to see as a Calgarian what we could have had.

I don't recall the Oilers ever putting forth that plan in Calgary.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

Because Rogers Place in Edmonton opened. Its hard to see as a Calgarian what we could have had.

I missed the part where the Flames missed some sort of deadline on a new rink. Or do you just think all cities and orgs. should get new arenas at the same time?

Edmonton had their first NHL caliber rink first too.........which is likely why they have their 2nd first too, because they needed it more. I love how bent out of shape you are over a weird deadline you created. All the Oilers getting their new rink first means they get to have the newer rink for around 5 years. Then we get to have the newer rink for what will likely end up being two decades.

Not that any of that should matter anyway.

[Reneeee]

It seems that this has all gone a bit childish in Calgary though. Or maybe I had higher expectations that the Flames and city could play nice. I don't think we will see a deal as long as Nenshi is still mayor

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[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I missed the part where the Flames missed some sort of deadline on a new rink. Or do you just think all cities and orgs. should get new arenas at the same time?

Edmonton had their first NHL caliber rink first too.........which is likely why they have their 2nd first too, because they needed it more. I love how bent out of shape you are over a weird deadline you created. All the Oilers getting their new rink first means they get to have the newer rink for around 5 years. Then we get to have the newer rink for what will likely end up being two decades.

Not that any of that should matter anyway.

We didnt miss a deadline but we have one of the worst rinks in the NHL. Its also a terrible venue to watch a concert at or any other type of show that may be in town. The building is old and we are years away from even being near ground breaking stage.

Its terrible that the team and city ended up in this position. We love to laugh and Edmonton and Winnipeg but they have us beat by miles in this area.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I missed the part where the Flames missed some sort of deadline on a new rink. Or do you just think all cities and orgs. should get new arenas at the same time?

Edmonton had their first NHL caliber rink first too.........which is likely why they have their 2nd first too, because they needed it more. I love how bent out of shape you are over a weird deadline you created. All the Oilers getting their new rink first means they get to have the newer rink for around 5 years. Then we get to have the newer rink for what will likely end up being two decades.

Not that any of that should matter anyway.

The Flames may not have missed a deadline but they have been talking about and planning a new building for about 10 years now. They are really dragging their feet. Was the process for building a new rink in Edmonton as long and painful as Calgary?

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

...Its terrible that the team and city ended up in this position. We love to laugh and Edmonton and Winnipeg but they have us beat by miles in this area.

I will continue to laugh at Edmonton and Winnipeg and their crappy sports teams. I'm laughing at them both right now.

[Bunk]

CalgaryNEXT and the so called "Plan B" (Stand alone arena on Stampede, renovated McMahon and separate Foothills Park Fieldhouse) are being evaluated side by side in a sort of cost-benefit analysis just next month.

From there they will decide a path to persue.

Seems like completely reasonable due diligence to me.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

We didnt miss a deadline but we have one of the worst rinks in the NHL. Its also a terrible venue to watch a concert at or any other type of show that may be in town. The building is old and we are years away from even being near ground breaking stage.

Its terrible that the team and city ended up in this position. We love to laugh and Edmonton and Winnipeg but they have us beat by miles in this area.

Winnipeg has beaten us because the built a 15k capacity arena in the late 90s and Edmonton has beaten us because up to literally today, the had an even crappier 10 year older rink than we did?

Again, what is this false deadline you've created based on the fact Edmonton, who needed a rink even worse than we did, has gotten theirs now? It's nothing more than the simple life cycle of assets and buildings? Would you be crying for a new rink today if the Flames had built a new one 10 years ago? The new rink in Edmonton would certainly be much nicer than that one at this point, would we need to build another new rink because Edmonton was beating us? What about Vancouver, shoukd they be concerned that Edmonton has now one upped GM place? They need a new rink to keep up with the Jones'?

It's not that your wrong that the Saddledome has hit the end of its lifecycle, and Flames and the city wouldn't benefit from new digs. It's this childish tantrum you are throwing because for what will end up being a fairly short portion of history that our rivals have a shinny new toy that we don't. It's redicilous, and the Flames and the cities timeline on getting a new rink done shoukd have little to nothing to do with what Edmonton is doing.

Calgary will get a new rink, you can take that to the bank and it will happen in the near future relatively speaking. Stop getting all twisted up because Edmontons old car was older than ours and needed replacing sooner. That just means our model will be newer when we get it.

[Mr.Coffee]

Originally Posted by Bunk

CalgaryNEXT and the so called "Plan B" (Stand alone arena on Stampede, renovated McMahon and separate Foothills Park Fieldhouse) are being evaluated side by side in a sort of cost-benefit analysis just next month.

From there they will decide a path to persue.

Seems like completely reasonable due diligence to me.

thanks. So after they're done pretending to compare and plan B is chosen, how long will it take to get the new rink do you figure?

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

thanks. So after they're done pretending to compare and plan B is chosen, how long will it take to get the new rink do you figure?

I would guess a year to sort out the precise financial agreement, 12-18 months of design and approval and 3 or so years of construction. Something like 5-6 years. Call it the 2022.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

thanks. So after they're done pretending to compare and plan B is chosen, how long will it take to get the new rink do you figure?

I would think CalgaryNEXT would be at the earliest a 2024 opening.

[Frequitude]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

thanks. So after they're done pretending to compare and plan B is chosen, how long will it take to get the new rink do you figure?

A couple years ahead of the Calgary '26 Olympics. So 2024.

[Senator Clay Davis]

You're all assuming that Flames ownership doesn't try and play the moving game. That could stretch the timeline out a few more years if that's how they wanna play it. I actually think 2026 is a reasonable expectation for the new arena to be built. As to what happens to the Stamps, who cares? CFL is a TV sport now so spending any money on a CFL stadium is a staggering waste of money.