People say they're amazed this can even happen, and certainly I am too. But I truly believe that this is generated from the widening inequalities in standards of education, access to education and quality of education across the United States.
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People do realize that he supported going into both Libya and Iraq before it happened.
Right?
Unfortunately no, a lot of people don't and won't. You can look at Matt Lauer's abject failure as a journalist tonight for a reason why. Not to go all Flash here but it's in the media's best interest to not bury Trump and we're continuing to see the failure of the media to hold him accountable for much of anything. They'll keep him in the race as long as it continues to be profitable for them and unfortunately since so many people are so goddam stupid they won't know they've been had until it's too late.
Basically the media is walking everyone along the razor's edge and hoping beyond hope that we don't all slip the wrong way. It's a hell of a gamble for the country as a whole but for them it's dollars in the pockets and that's all that matters.
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With more undecided voters this time around compared to before, wouldn't that also make the polls not the greatest indicators?
If and when this group decides, could shift things one way significantly unless they stay away all together from voting. I imagine there's a contingent from Bernie supporters and another group of Republicans who are disgusted by Trump.
I didn't watch the Lauer stuff because I can't take seriously a political forum hosted by a morning show host who generally interviews celebrities and does cooking in studio, but by all accounts he was beyond awful. Not shocking either, he reads a teleprompter and asks scripted questions for his "journalistic" duties on Today, of course he doesn't know how to follow up. Apparently NBC trolled him this morning by having their very first segment today on fact checking the forum. I expect Lester Holt will be significantly better for the first debate, especially with how hard Lauer is being hammered.
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I just can't fathom how someone can support Trump. It's like not believing in gravity or something.
I think most of the people voting for him are people that were going to vote for whoever the Republican candidate is. The justifications are just poor attempts to try and reconcile the fact that they know they are voting for a bad candidate.
Some people go their whole lives only voting for one party, and often it's the same party that their parents voted for.
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They're exactly the same, if you consider fitness for the presidency or lack thereof. Neither should be president.
Your false equivalency is false. It is also highly insulting to the intelligence of anyone to suggest as much as you are boiling down this election to a personalities rather than an actual fitness test for office.
One one side of this race you have Hillary R. Clinton. She is a former First Lady and was really the first to take on an active role in government policy formation. She worked to try and promote several initiatives while she was in the White House and gained invaluable experience during that eight years in residence. She has also been a Senator and Secretary of State. She has been working in the public sector he whole professional life, usually in aid of families and children. The problem is that she is a heinous bitch. That's right, no one likes her, but a lot of that has developed over 30 years of a concerted RW smear job against her and her husband. There have been more conspiracy theories built up around these two than the Kennedy assassination, the moon landing, and 9/11 combined. They have been attacked by the Republicans through every mechanism possible. Kenneth Starr came up empty. Seven separate Benghazi hearings came up empty. A FBI investigation into wrong doing in handling information came up empty. Clinton has been vetted to the highest levels in way imaginable. There are calls for her to mothball the Clinton Foundation while she is in office, even though the Clinton Foundation has been proven, by the top watch dog of these organizations, as one of the most efficiently charitable foundations on the planet. Clinton has released her taxes and every other document of interest to aid in the vetting process. Clinton has done more than everything imaginable to be vetted.
One the other side of this race you have Donald J. Trump. Trump is a failed businessman, four times over. He was set up for life by his father and he still managed to piss it all away, on four different occasions. Trump is a showman and all bravado. He is a firm believer in the Joseph Gobbels school of public policy; if you repeat the same lie with enough confidence people will believe it. This is Trump in a nutshell. He is all bravado. All smoke and mirrors, and refuses to allow anyone to get close enough to pull back the curtain. The closest anyone has ever got to this man is Tony Schwartz, and he has nothing good to say about Trump. The Donald is a serial liar, believes some of the most incredible nonsense imaginable, is at best an ego-maniac and at worst a sociopath. Donald J. Trump has never done anything that was not for Donald Trump or about Donald Trump. To make matters worse, Trump refuses to go through the vetting process. He bans media that ask hard questions. He refuses to offer up information to inform the public about what type of person he is. He hides behind the curtain of privacy when he wants the highest public office in the land.
Sorry, these two candidates are nothing alike, nor have they faced the same level of scrutiny. Both are highly unlikable, but for very different reasons. One is unlikable because she is a career politician, and we just naturally don't like career politicians because they are forced to tell half-truths to strike deals. The other is unlikable because he is a self-serving individual who does nothing without his own best interests in mind. He lies and lies and lies, non-stop, and it has been acceptable because he works in the private sector where only other fat cats get screwed over by his lies. There is the rub. One has served the public, the other has served only himself. Again, massive difference. I can forgive someone who lies to try and make the lives of everyone a little better. I can't forgive someone who lies to only benefit themselves. While both candidates may be repugnant, there is one who would put the nation's interest ahead of their own, and, coupled with her actual resume of public service, that is what makes her a viable candidate for President. The only thing the other candidate is qualified for is rodeo clown.
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Gov. Johnson just destroyed himself. So much for a third party candidate. He did not know what Aleppo was. Considering that is the central point of the whole war on ISIS in Syria, yeah...
Stunning that he is even more incompetent about foreign policy than Trump.
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Your false equivalency is false. It is also highly insulting to the intelligence of anyone to suggest as much as you are boiling down this election to a personalities rather than an actual fitness test for office.
One one side of this race you have Hillary R. Clinton. She is a former First Lady and was really the first to take on an active role in government policy formation. She worked to try and promote several initiatives while she was in the White House and gained invaluable experience during that eight years in residence. She has also been a Senator and Secretary of State. She has been working in the public sector he whole professional life, usually in aid of families and children. The problem is that she is a heinous bitch. That's right, no one likes her, but a lot of that has developed over 30 years of a concerted RW smear job against her and her husband. There have been more conspiracy theories built up around these two than the Kennedy assassination, the moon landing, and 9/11 combined. They have been attacked by the Republicans through every mechanism possible. Kenneth Starr came up empty. Seven separate Benghazi hearings came up empty. A FBI investigation into wrong doing in handling information came up empty. Clinton has been vetted to the highest levels in way imaginable. There are calls for her to mothball the Clinton Foundation while she is in office, even though the Clinton Foundation has been proven, by the top watch dog of these organizations, as one of the most efficiently charitable foundations on the planet. Clinton has released her taxes and every other document of interest to aid in the vetting process. Clinton has done more than everything imaginable to be vetted.
One the other side of this race you have Donald J. Trump. Trump is a failed businessman, four times over. He was set up for life by his father and he still managed to piss it all away, on four different occasions. Trump is a showman and all bravado. He is a firm believer in the Joseph Gobbels school of public policy; if you repeat the same lie with enough confidence people will believe it. This is Trump in a nutshell. He is all bravado. All smoke and mirrors, and refuses to allow anyone to get close enough to pull back the curtain. The closest anyone has ever got to this man is Tony Schwartz, and he has nothing good to say about Trump. The Donald is a serial liar, believes some of the most incredible nonsense imaginable, is at best an ego-maniac and at worst a sociopath. Donald J. Trump has never done anything that was not for Donald Trump or about Donald Trump. To make matters worse, Trump refuses to go through the vetting process. He bans media that ask hard questions. He refuses to offer up information to inform the public about what type of person he is. He hides behind the curtain of privacy when he wants the highest public office in the land.
Sorry, these two candidates are nothing alike, nor have they faced the same level of scrutiny. Both are highly unlikable, but for very different reasons. One is unlikable because she is a career politician, and we just naturally don't like career politicians because they are forced to tell half-truths to strike deals. The other is unlikable because he is a self-serving individual who does nothing without his own best interests in mind. He lies and lies and lies, non-stop, and it has been acceptable because he works in the private sector where only other fat cats get screwed over by his lies. There is the rub. One has served the public, the other has served only himself. Again, massive difference. I can forgive someone who lies to try and make the lives of everyone a little better. I can't forgive someone who lies to only benefit themselves. While both candidates may be repugnant, there is one who would put the nation's interest ahead of their own, and, coupled with her actual resume of public service, that is what makes her a viable candidate for President. The only thing the other candidate is qualified for is rodeo clown.
Gov. Johnson just destroyed himself. So much for a third party candidate. He did not know what Aleppo was. Considering that is the central point of the whole war on ISIS in Syria, yeah...
Stunning that he is even more incompetent about foreign policy than Trump.
Are you kidding me? The vast majority of Americans don't know what Aleppo is. They think Aleppo is the guy who made Pinocchio. This won't hurt Johnson any more than it would hurt Trump.
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Are you kidding me? The vast majority of Americans don't know what Aleppo is. They think Aleppo is the guy who made Pinocchio. This won't hurt Johnson any more than it would hurt Trump.
There is some requirement for competence to have some knowledge of the most important thing that is going on in terms of foreign affairs to be the president. He showed that he has absolutely no clue about anything outside of domestic policy. That is not good at all. I could understand if it was a random question about Kyrgyzstan or Tajikistan, where almost everyone would not know that those are even countries. However, when it is the epicenter of the #1 thing that you should know about on foreign policy, that is pathetic.
Trump is equally incompetent, but there is also a reason why he can't crack 42%.
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Better question: Would Trump or Jill Stein have known what Aleppo was? I'm gonna say probably not. Still that's bad for Johnson and likely ends any chance he has to get into the debates. In fact Johnson's mess here might be a big win for Hillary, she loses more support to Johnson when straight ups with Trump go to 4 ways. Those who go to Johnson in that situation might realize they're stuck with Hillary if they want an option that even slightly knows what's going on in geopolitics.
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Most Libertarians are way more concerned with domestic issues that foreign ones, but that is still pathetic. That is like not knowing what "Kabul" or "Mosul" is.
It's a pretty big city for one thing, besides the fact that is has been in the news almost everyday for the past 4 years.
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I mean Jesus ####ing Christ where is the self awareness? It's a link to the Johnson clip, but for NBC politics to be slagging anyone after their performance last night is pretty hilarious.
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This man is running for president but has never heard of Aleppo
A bunch of people now going "Hah! What an idiot! Never heard of Aleppo?!" and then proceed to google Aleppo. I actually wasn't aware that there was a specific problem in Aleppo proper that would make the question "What to do in Aleppo" more salient than "What to do in Syria".
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He has a 30% chance, don't get too excited now.
The problem is that a couple of weeks ago it was like 13%. It needs to start going back down or I'm going to get nervous.
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Trump's chances are still tied to the debates. If we see a repeat of Matt Lauer's performance by all the moderators, then Trump will have a 40% chance at a minimum. If we actually see them press Trump, he likely meltsdown and has a 10% chance. So it's all gonna come down to hoping the media does its job, which of course is a remarkably frightening prospect.
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Since this is the Trump and alt-right we're talking about, this is last night's big conspiracy. And yeah Junior is legit linking people to Infowars and Alex Jones. Can one of the moderators actually ask about that? That the guy who believes Sandy Hoke was fake is someone the Trump campaign uses as a media source?
