Occurred to me that the French government and police have managed to turn the burkini into a symbol of freedom. That's actually quite an achievement, in a magnificent screw-up kind of way.
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If you weren't allowed to wear a star of David on a chain, or have an exposed crucifix tattoo, then these rules make sense. But your really need to go fully all out on this one which isn't easy as people will invent new symbols.
I mean the poster admitted to doing exactly what peter is talking about. So where's the paranoia? The fact that you completely gloss over what that guy is all about because you agree with his stance in general says a lot.
Its happening all over youtube, FB pages, and here on CP.
If we had a discussion on Christianity and the issues we have with it, no problem, no one cares.
But we discuss Islam, and not only do we get people trying to shut it down, but the claims of us even discussing the topic means we are bigots, racists, etc..
Even Sweden has finally started to close its borders, as much as you guys in North America have no clue what is going on in the EU, and people like Itse pretend its all hunky dory and anyone who dares talk about the mass migration of Islam in to the EU, and how little they want to be a part of the secular and liberal ideals of the EU..
Its happening all over youtube, FB pages, and here on CP.
If we had a discussion on Christianity and the issues we have with it, no problem, no one cares.
But we discuss Islam, and not only do we get people trying to shut it down, but the claims of us even discussing the topic means we are bigots, racists, etc..
Even Sweden has finally started to close its borders, as much as you guys in North America have no clue what is going on in the EU, and people like Itse pretend its all hunky dory and anyone who dares talk about the mass migration of Islam in to the EU, and how little they want to be a part of the secular and liberal ideals of the EU..
Who has tried to shut the discussion down? Who has claimed that even discussing the topic makes anyone a bigot? I think you're tilting a windmills.
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The biggest reason Canada hasn't seen the same level of cultural conflict with Muslim immigrants as Europe has is because we draw immigrants from different populations. Canada mainly gets educated or investor-class immigrants. Secular urbanites. Muslim immigrants to Europe tend to be much less educated, come from rural communities, much more religious, and with very high rates of female illiteracy. In fact, in a lot of cases a Muslim male will immigrate to France of the UK, and then a few years later bring in a poor, illiterate girl from the countryside as a wife.
Do you have a source for this? Anecdotally I've always felt this to be true about our immigration but I'd be curious to know more.
If you weren't allowed to wear a star of David on a chain, or have an exposed crucifix tattoo, then these rules make sense. But your really need to go fully all out on this one which isn't easy as people will invent new symbols.
The way I view it is that France (and Western Europe) were Christian countries before they became officially secular. However, it's not like the Christian roots disappeared over night and I think a vast majority of European culture is based on Christianity. In fact, I would venture to say that a majority of Europeans still subscribe and believe in Christianity, except for the sexuality part of Christianity.
Therefore I disagree. A guy with a cross tattoo or a star of David necklace (or even a yamuka) would be OK in my opinion since that has forever been a part of European culture. Burkas and other face covering garb has not traditionally been a part of the culture, and what's more, most people consider the face coverings for women as oppressive. Islam has also had a presence in Europe over the ages, but obviously to a much smaller extent.
That's probably not the most inclusive and rainbow and sunshine answer you'll hear on CP today, but that is how I view it.
Do you have a source for this? Anecdotally I've always felt this to be true about our immigration but I'd be curious to know more.
I don't have any specific data, but most immigrants to Canada, in general, are fairly educated, and the investor class immigrants make up a large proportion. In Europe, by contrast, immigrants have been brought in to perform the most menial jobs. Dishwashers, cleaners, unskilled trades. They're often from rural regions, and have low education. Among Muslim immigrants to parts of Europe, for example, it's often common for unattached young men to bring in a bride from their country of origin, typically an illiterate young woman from the countryside. This present serious challenges to integration.
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Probably has something to do with distance too. Train ride costs a lot less than a trans-Atlantic/Pacific flight. So you'll get more 'better off' immigrants here.
Probably has something to do with distance too. Train ride costs a lot less than a trans-Atlantic/Pacific flight. So you'll get more 'better off' immigrants here.
During the last immigrant crisis, didn't they basically WALK to Europe through Turkey and over Greece & Serbia?
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The way I view it is that France (and Western Europe) were Christian countries before they became officially secular. However, it's not like the Christian roots disappeared over night and I think a vast majority of European culture is based on Christianity. In fact, I would venture to say that a majority of Europeans still subscribe and believe in Christianity, except for the sexuality part of Christianity.
Therefore I disagree. A guy with a cross tattoo or a star of David necklace (or even a yamuka) would be OK in my opinion since that has forever been a part of European culture. Burkas and other face covering garb has not traditionally been a part of the culture, and what's more, most people consider the face coverings for women as oppressive. Islam has also had a presence in Europe over the ages, but obviously to a much smaller extent.
That's probably not the most inclusive and rainbow and sunshine answer you'll hear on CP today, but that is how I view it.
What do you mean by the "except the sexuality part of Christianity"?
The single biggest Christian church (Catholicism) has it spelled out pretty clearly. And the majority of Western Europe are Catholic Christians.
And so does Canadian laws. Are you saying that 100% of Christians in Canada and Europe support gay marriage or gay sex? Sorry but yes it is up for debate. Just because a church says something doesn't mean the followers follow the church.
And id like to see where the church allows sex before marriage or their ruling on that.
