[News] Canuck caught up in alleged family murder conspiracy

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

3 years seems light to me.

I'm glad for Vey and his mother that this is done and the idiots are going to jail.

This could have ended much worse

Seriously? It's Canada, our justice system is a joke.

If they actually carried out the murder it would of probably been 5 years.

[calumniate]

Seems a little light! What else can you get three years for?

[Super Nintendo Chalmers]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

Seriously? It's Canada, our justice system is a joke.

If they actually carried out the murder it would of probably been 5 years.

"Part of the reason for the sentencing as high as they are in cases like this for general denunciation and deterrence is to put out there that despite how unhappy your marriage is it's not OK to plan to kill your spouse," O'Connor said.

And that's the prosecutor.

[ComixZone]

Well, it's not like they actually committed the murders. Nor do we have the required precogs to know if they actually would have.

[Coach]

Yeah I dunno. To sit in a cell for 3 years for something that, by definition, you didn't actually do, seems like it would be enough.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Yeah I dunno. To sit in a cell for 3 years for something that, by definition, you didn't actually do, seems like it would be enough.

Murder, while successful or unsuccessful, should be more penalized

[Wastedyouth]

Well, they were really only planning...

I plan some people's murders in my head daily, should I be in jail?

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

Murder, while successful or unsuccessful, should be more penalized

I'm not arguing against that really. But this isn't attempted, or unsuccessful murder. They could have gone through the whole plan and then end up not doing it.

That said, they were making defined plans to kill someone, and that obviously has to be deterred. I can see how some think it should be more, I just don't think it's an egregiously low amount of time that it's an example of Canadian mis-justice. There are plenty of those I think.

3 years is a long time to sit and think about something you thought about doing.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Well, they were really only planning...

I plan some people's murders in my head daily, should I be in jail?

Daily? Then yeah, probably......

A quick Google search suggests in the US, imprisonment for conspiring to commit murder is up to 25 years. Canada is a joke, but we don't know all the facts.


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[Coach]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Daily? Then yeah, probably......

A quick Google search suggests in the US, imprisonment for conspiring to commit murder is up to 25 years. Canada is a joke, but we don't know all the facts.


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Should we be using the US, the world leader in incarcerated population, as a benchmark?

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Should we be using the US, the world leader in incarcerated population, as a benchmark?

I'm not suggesting using the US as a benchmark, just using our closest allies as a comparison.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

I'm not suggesting using the US as a benchmark, just using our closest allies as a comparison.

Closest allies by distance and military power.

But there are some pretty significant differences in social structures.

EDIT: Also, a quick google search shows that "(a) every one who conspires with any one to commit murder or to cause another person to be murdered, whether in Canada or not, is guilty of an indictable offence and liable to a maximum term of imprisonment for life;"

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by MattyC

Closest allies by distance and military power.

But there are some pretty significant differences in social structures.

Absolutely. And not everything to do with the US is terrible. I do prefer how they punish pedophiles compared to us, for instance. Conspiracy to commit murder is also taken more seriously there, apparently.

[IgiTang]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

Well, they were really only planning...

I plan some people's murders in my head daily, should I be in jail?

Yikes... If serious..

Btw, don't kill me.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Absolutely. And not everything to do with the US is terrible. I do prefer how they punish pedophiles compared to us, for instance. Conspiracy to commit murder is also taken more seriously there, apparently.

As noted in my edit, Canada's conspiracy to commit charge can carry a life sentence.

[sempuki]

I won't pretend to know what "right" sentence is, there's no evidence harsh sentencing does anything except make jails full and expensive.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by MattyC

As noted in my edit, Canada's conspiracy to commit charge can carry a life sentence.

Then maybe our maximum sentencing in awesome and we just need to work on our minimum. (Also, easy for me to say with no actual facts about the case)

Just 3 years, probably out in 2, seems incredibly light to me for plotting a murder.

[chubeyr1]

Originally Posted by IgiTang

Yikes... If serious..

Btw, don't kill me.

Give the guy/girl a break!

If it were legal to charge a person just based off thought alone everyone would be in prison.

Just the other day I had a dream my coworker was a zombie. As such I stabbed him 6 times in the head but that would not stop him. When I woke up I figured out why it was such a chore. Gotta hit the Brain.

Who here hasn't had the dream of driving a monster truck down Deerfoot at 4pm Friday as a long weekend hits! That's mass murder!

Guess its time to call my psychologist again!

[Coach]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Then maybe our maximum sentencing in awesome and we just need to work on our minimum. (Also, easy for me to say with no actual facts about the case)

Just 3 years, probably out in 2, seems incredibly light to me for plotting a murder.

Maybe. We don't really know the depth of the plot, so it's tough to say.

3 is a small number compared to 25 to life, but think about the last 3 years of your life and how they would have gone by stuck in a jail cell.

Plus the reason to kill the spouse is gone now. These people presumably arent risks to kill others, because there are specific reasons for murdering the spouses (life insurance, no cost of divorce, etc...). Those things are off the table now, there's no reason to "re-commit".

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Sideshow Bob: [Bob calls Birch Barlow's show during a prison riot] I am presently incarcerated, imprisoned for a crime I did not even commit. "Attempted murder," now honestly, did they ever give anyone a Nobel prize for "attempted chemistry?"
[ducks a flying sink]