Mandatory: Roster checks

[Drury18]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

o Positions must be specific. Forward will not be sufficient to add C, LW or RW. Winger won’t be sufficient to add LW and RW. You need to show the specific position

This is a bit bogus.

If one of your legitimate sites lists as "F" or "W" we should be allowed all 3 positions because they obviously play at all 3 or move around during the year.

Seems like an excessively restrictive stance to take, especially when it has a huge impact on the team for the upcoming season.

Mindboggling how often this league changes its rules...

[Knut]

^ make a deal to fix it. Lots of people in the same boat. There is likely a lot of lateral moves out there

[Drury18]

It's moreso how often this league changes the rules with little to no warning to the GM's. We went through something similar last year.

For how long they've been around, you'd think there would be better planning from the top and things like this set out. Even the rules page on the main site is completely out of date (what ever to the revamp we were supposed to get before the start of last season?) so the Commishes have free reign to make up new rules as they go.

Also ironic how we are given set deadlines but they can process trades, waivers and FA requests as they please. Last FA request was 18 days to get on my roster after I asked again. I've waited a week to hear back on a waiver request and I've seen posts of similar people waiting for stuff to process. Is this really a fair league with stuff like this happening?

[SportsJunky]

My changes are in. Thanks to all the Commishes. You guys are doing great!

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Drury18

It's moreso how often this league changes the rules with little to no warning to the GM's. We went through something similar last year.

For how long they've been around, you'd think there would be better planning from the top and things like this set out. Even the rules page on the main site is completely out of date (what ever to the revamp we were supposed to get before the start of last season?) so the Commishes have free reign to make up new rules as they go.

Also ironic how we are given set deadlines but they can process trades, waivers and FA requests as they please. Last FA request was 18 days to get on my roster after I asked again. I've waited a week to hear back on a waiver request and I've seen posts of similar people waiting for stuff to process. Is this really a fair league with stuff like this happening?

Lots here some let me address them.
- We change rules to improve the game. The position changes rule actually delivers GMs FAR more flexibility than they've had in the past by allowing teams to move guys around in their lineup as more typically happens. We felt this would generally be greeted with positivity.
- Deadlines are set during the off-season because that allows us to move through the tasks efficiency. We do not process things as often during the off-season because it simply isn't required. Generally during the season we stay on top of everything. Sometimes things are forgotten and when we are nudged I always try to address them right away.
- I've tried to update the rules but the current CMS is hard to use and time consuming. So I've focused on more critical tasks during the off-season.

To be honest you seem really unhappy with the league and how we run it. I don't know why. But everything we do and post is greeted with this type of response.

We all work to create a fun game. If you don't think that's the case and don't trust us - then perhaps it is time to move on. No hard feelings. But if this isn't a fit and working for you then why do you continue to play?

I'm not saying this to confront you on it but more so because you seem SO upset about everything we do to the point that I don't know how we re-build that relationship.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by Drury18

This is a bit bogus.

If one of your legitimate sites lists as "F" or "W" we should be allowed all 3 positions because they obviously play at all 3 or move around during the year.

Seems like an excessively restrictive stance to take, especially when it has a huge impact on the team for the upcoming season.

Mindboggling how often this league changes its rules...

When those sites list F or W I don't think it is because the player actually plays all positions - but just that's how the information was loaded. There are clear cases where guys listed as F never play centre at all.

[Hanni]

Ottawa is in.

[Swayze11]

Avs in

[I wanna be like Miikka]

Originally Posted by Drury18

This is a bit bogus.

If one of your legitimate sites lists as "F" or "W" we should be allowed all 3 positions because they obviously play at all 3 or move around during the year.

Seems like an excessively restrictive stance to take, especially when it has a huge impact on the team for the upcoming season.

Mindboggling how often this league changes its rules...

Over the past few months we have seen several changes but this was an attempt to improve the league. There have been lots of discussions between commishes and on the open forum with the ultimate goal of increasing parity and making the league more enjoyable. The rule changes largely have to be made in the offseason which is why you are seeing some of these posts.

It seems more often that not that you are not happy with the league. This is a hobby and really should be something fun.

[dsavillian]

The change is a good one, but why wasn't it put in place before UFA signings?

If I was a team that ended up short on a position after locking down my roster, I'd be pretty peeved.


If it is a problem, the easiest solution is to grandfather positions in for a season.

[simmer2]

Originally Posted by dsavillian

The change is a good one, but why wasn't it put in place before UFA signings?

If I was a team that ended up short on a position after locking down my roster, I'd be pretty peeved.


If it is a problem, the easiest solution is to grandfather positions in for a season.

Ya but not the right solution.

I took a quick peak and there are a lot going websites listed. A person should be able to find a way to make their rosters work.

[dsavillian]

Originally Posted by simmer2

Ya but not the right solution.

I took a quick peak and there are a lot going websites listed. A person should be able to find a way to make their rosters work.

The right solution would be to go back in time and announce this before people started making off-season roster moves


Grandfathering in for a season wouldn't be bad at all.

I imagine that it won't be a problem for most teams, but it may be a huge pain in the ass for one or two teams.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by dsavillian

The change is a good one, but why wasn't it put in place before UFA signings?

If I was a team that ended up short on a position after locking down my roster, I'd be pretty peeved.


If it is a problem, the easiest solution is to grandfather positions in for a season.

The honest answer is because we hadn't really thought about it. It didn't really occur to me until looking at the ratings package and seeing how they dealt with positions - and that's when it struck us that there was probably a better way that would give GMs far better flexibility.
I've struggled with the old way where if a player was a RW he could only play RW in any given game. Really why can't a guy play RW on the powerplay but Centre on PK if that's what he does in real life.

So that's really it. It wasn't something we were holding back on. Basically once we identified the opportunity, we announced it pretty much immediately. The other commissioners can confirm.

[simmer2]

I suspect it also saves a lot of commissioner's time too in not having to process position requests. And since it is a volunteer of time thing I always tend towards whatever is simpler for the ones who use their personal time for all of our enjoyment.

[dsavillian]

Originally Posted by JiriHrdina

The honest answer is because we hadn't really thought about it. It didn't really occur to me until looking at the ratings package and seeing how they dealt with positions - and that's when it struck us that there was probably a better way that would give GMs far better flexibility.
I've struggled with the old way where if a player was a RW he could only play RW in any given game. Really why can't a guy play RW on the powerplay but Centre on PK if that's what he does in real life.

So that's really it. It wasn't something we were holding back on. Basically once we identified the opportunity, we announced it pretty much immediately. The other commissioners can confirm.

Totally fair.

Personally, I wouldn't be offended if old positions were grandfathered in for a season - but only if the rule change caused major problems for anyone.

[JiriHrdina]

Originally Posted by simmer2

I suspect it also saves a lot of commissioner's time too in not having to process position requests. And since it is a volunteer of time thing I always tend towards whatever is simpler for the ones who use their personal time for all of our enjoyment.

Yup this is true. One of the most time sucking tasks during the season is doing position changes. That and processing CG's constant flood of free agents, and then releasing them.

[JonDuke]

Philly's changes are in.

[Caged Great]

Here's a question.

Andreas Athanasiou is listed currently as a C on the league roster page, but is a LW on the team roster page (the first link I submitted earlier that isn't valid) and as C on all sites except Elite Prospects where he is listed as a C/W. He has never played RW (I looked before to see if I could swap him) and has played LW at the AHL and NHL level but I cannot find a league sanctioned resource to point that specifically out.

If a link partially supports something that is on the now defunct roster page, is that a viable enough situation to make it allowable when all other sites show him playing as a center only?

[JiriHrdina]

I would say no. I can't really find a link that shows him playing that position

[Caged Great]

Is Hockey's future a viable reference? They do list him as being a LW.

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/detroit_red_wings/