Flames stars Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau stick together

[Vulcan]

Some of these posts are puck bunny worthy. My hope is for Treliving to sign Gaudreau for the cheapest he can with it not being insulting to Gaudreau. Which means everyone is happy, the fans, the Flames and Johnny. As it is we know nothing about what each side wants but my guess would be between $6.375M and $7.25M would be fair.

[heep223]

Is there any possible way on earth that Gaudreau signs the same contract as Monahan?

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by heep223

Is there any possible way on earth that Gaudreau signs the same contract as Monahan?

Yeah, in my world it's possible. Monahan is bigger and so less vulnerable. He also plays a tougher position which is more valued. He's also a year younger, so has more room for growth in his game. At the same age Monahan had 63 points and Gaudreau had 64 points.

[PepsiFree]

Personally I couldn't care less if Gaudreau gets "paid" or "what he deserves" or the like.

I hope the Flames get the absolute best deal possible. I hope they fleece his agent on an 8 year deal.

I hope Gaudreau winds up slumming it in a 4 million dollar home like the rest of us losers, am I right?

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by heep223

Is there any possible way on earth that Gaudreau signs the same contract as Monahan?

I can't imagine it.

[Vinny01]

Johnny is the face of the franchise. He deserves the big money longest term deal of any current flame. 8 years $7-$8M per

[dammage79]

6 years just a tick below 7m for Gaudreau is my guess. I cannot fathom one cent over 7.5m a year.

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by heep223

Is there any possible way on earth that Gaudreau signs the same contract as Monahan?

Probably not identical as they won't want both contracts expiring in the same year again but in terms of AAV, it could be close. I'm guessing it'll be much closer to Monahan's contract than Tarasenko's!

[Jacks]

I'm not convinced that the team won't offer 7 years just because the contracts would expire at the same time. If the cap number is right at 7 years then get it done. They have a whole year to get them extended and there is always a chance that one of them could get traded down the line. I'd rather have 7 years than 6 years and that 8th year could be expensive. 7 years, 6.75M sounds good to me.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by dammage79

6 years just a tick below 7m for Gaudreau is my guess. I cannot fathom one cent over 7.5m a year.

I think it is going to end up being this. I can see 6 years $6.75M which I think is a mistake. Really think the flames need to max out the term but I am one of those people that think this is the last contract Johnny signs with Calgary

[burnitdown]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Johnny is an 80-point player right now, and with the right linemates he could easily hit 90, IMO. I have no problem paying him $8 million as a fan. But as a GM, I have to think in the interests of every young star on my team.

If you pay him $8M per year, you're essentially saying there's a 0% chance that Gaudreau will score less than 75 points per season throughout the duration of his contract. If he's only scoring 60-70 points per season, you likely don't want to commit that type of money to an undersized winger. With a new coaching system coming into place, who knows how that will affect his play. That's why I'm hoping the contract doesn't go higher than $7.0M AAV.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by heep223

Is there any possible way on earth that Gaudreau signs the same contract as Monahan?

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Yeah, in my world it's possible. Monahan is bigger and so less vulnerable. He also plays a tougher position which is more valued. He's also a year younger, so has more room for growth in his game. At the same age Monahan had 63 points and Gaudreau had 64 points.

Measured, thoughtful response from a fan that actually makes sense.

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I can't imagine it.

Homer answer with no explanation.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by burnitdown

If you pay him $8M per year, you're essentially saying there's a 0% chance that Gaudreau will score less than 75 points per season throughout the duration of his contract. If he's only scoring 60-70 points per season, you likely don't want to commit that type of money to an undersized winger. With a new coaching system coming into place, who knows how that will affect his play. That's why I'm hoping the contract doesn't go higher than $7.0M AAV.

I don't think it is unrealistic to say Johnny is going to be a 75+ point player for the next 8 years. Personally I think Johnny is going to be a top 3-5 forward in the league in the next 1-2 years. He is going to score, make plays, and play a decent 2way game. Look at his history in college the kid just gets better every year. Special talent and potential to be a generational winger and one of the faces of the league going forward. If the Flames feel the same they may risk the huge cap hit to get the max term

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dammage79

6 years just a tick below 7m for Gaudreau is my guess. I cannot fathom one cent over 7.5m a year.

It's the cost associated with being a top 7 scorer two seasons into your career.

We have a legitimately elite player, weird, no?

They get paid.

8 Years, 8M per.

To frame it better:

Jarome Iginla, 2005/2006: 7M Salary - 17.9% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2006/2007: 7M Salary - 15.9% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2007/2008: 7M Salary - 13.9% of the salary cap.

Jarome Iginla, 2008/2009: 7M Salary - 12.3% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2009/2010: 7M Salary - 12.3% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2010/2011: 7M Salary - 11.8% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2011/2012: 7M Salary - 10.9% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2012/2013: 7M Salary - 9.97% of the salary cap.

Gaudreau, 2016/2017: 8M Salary, 10.95% of the salary cap.

The salary cap may be flat for some time going forward, but it's hard to imagine it falling. We have the opportunity to lock up an elite, ELITE, forward for all of his prime years...for 10.95% of the salary cap? Don't hesitate, sign it.

[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

It's the cost associated with being a top 7 scorer two seasons into your career.

We have a legitimately elite player, weird, no?

They get paid.

8 Years, 8M per.

To frame it better:

Jarome Iginla, 2005/2006: 7M Salary - 17.9% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2006/2007: 7M Salary - 15.9% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2007/2008: 7M Salary - 13.9% of the salary cap.

Jarome Iginla, 2008/2009: 7M Salary - 12.3% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2009/2010: 7M Salary - 12.3% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2010/2011: 7M Salary - 11.8% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2011/2012: 7M Salary - 10.9% of the salary cap.
Jarome Iginla, 2012/2013: 7M Salary - 9.97% of the salary cap.

Gaudreau, 2016/2017: 8M Salary, 10.95% of the salary cap.

Johnny has only played two seasons while Iginla was already a 10 year veteran in 05/06...

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by doctajones428

Johnny has only played two seasons while Iginla was already a 10 year veteran in 05/06...

Yeah, and his play declined significantly towards the last 2-3 years of his 5 year deal with us, which I believe were ages ...32-34?

We're talking about locking up a 23 year old through his 31st birthday. Johnny and his agent know this contract, if it's full term, carries all of his prime year. Brad knows this too.

If you don't think Johnny is worth 8M today, and 8M for the next 7 years after this one - trade him and get HUGE value back. The rest of the league I guarantee views him as being worth 8M, and rightfully so.

I'd even happily pay him 8.5M per for 8 years.

This isn't a league about paying you for what you did last year anymore. It's about paying for today, and tomorrow. The contracts that pay players for what they did yesterday are largely extinct in today's NHL, and the ones that are still signed in today's NHL, are so bloody toxic that you'll continue to see GMs shy away from them. It's why young players are getting locked up younger and younger.

[Jacks]

Johnny's contract will be mostly RFA years, you can't compare that to Iginla's UFA contract. Don't forget too that when Iginla was eating 13%+ of the cap he had recently won an Art Ross, Richard x 2, Pearson and a few other trophies.

[dammage79]

@ Comixzone.

The Fonz laid it out nicely in the Gaudreau thread @ post #284. I agree with his slant and I agree with others that he hasn't earned a contract much more than Monahan is getting.

You and others will disagree and that's perfectly fine. From my POV though that's some serious overhype and will likely cause you to say ""Treliving is a Wizard" when the Gaudreau deal breaks. Where the few of us on the cheaper side of things may or may not see it as close to market value.

My reaction if it is over 7.5m AAV will be a slightly dissatisfied one. Monahan to me is more important to this team. We've had elite wingers before, what we havent had is a steady capable long term #1 C since Niewy. And we have that locked up for 7 years now.

I also think giving Gaudreau that much money on an 8 year deal really hurts in the chances of getting Sam Bennett and maybe one day Matthew Tkachuk locked up long term.

And I think this is why negotiations are taking so long. Maybe your thoughts are in line with the Gaudreau camp and mine are in line with the Flames camp.

We will see in the end, But I stand by me guess of just a shade under 7m per year over 6 years. It gives the team a little flexibility in re-signing other important players.

[GGG]

If you were paying Johnny year by year you could sign him for 5 for the next few years until he is arbitration eligible. Then he gets Taresanko money until he is a UFA. Then 10-12 as a UFA if everything works out. So his max value right now is

5,5,7.5,7.5,12,12,12,12 for 93 and 9.125 million But then you got to add in risk money where in the next two seaons he hits his peak scoring as scorers often do peak before 25 and his play away from the puck doesn't improve due to his size. Then he's probably worth

5,5,6,6,6,6,6,6 for 5.75 million

So for the next 8 years his value likely rages from 5.75 per year to 9.125 per year putting his fair value somewhere in that 7-7.5 over 8 years.

However if I'm Gaudreau I want to be a free agent at 29 at the latest while still guaranteeing my life time earnings so I'm not going longer than 6. So revisting the above numbers based on 6 years you get 5.6 -8.1 or somewhere in the 6.75mil ball park.

So I think the 7.5 range is fair for an 8 year deal but I suspect Gaudreau will want something a little shorter to set up his second big contract so a 6 year 6.75 - 7 deal is what I expect.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Measured, thoughtful response from a fan that actually makes sense.



Homer answer with no explanation.

What's to explain? Gaudreau is a significantly more valuable player. He's the face of franchise, with the potential to be the best Flame ever.

I love Monahan, but there is no way they should be getting paid the same amount.