Flames stars Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau stick together

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

Has it been confirmed there is a Gio cap? If so, that's ridiculous. Gio is probably the fourth best player on the team.

Roger Millions said he doesn't think Gaudreau will get more than Gio and people just ran with it. I'm assuming if its true it has to do with term of the contract not anything to do with Gio specifically or some internal cap.

[stemit14]

I think the final number for Gaudreau will be $7 million AAV for 7 years and he'll sign that deal before the end of August. Will leave no distractions leading up to the World Cup or the start of the season.


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[doctajones428]

Originally Posted by sun

A soft cap, aka not a cap?

The NBA utilizes a soft salary cap, meaning there is a salary cap but there are a variety of exceptions that allow teams to exceed that cap.

Replace the NBA with the Flames

[AltaGuy]

I personally think Gaudreau's contract will be 8 years at 8M a season. Call me crazy.

[TheScorpion]

Gio-cap sounds like Geo-cache. Or, alternatively, Gio-cash.

[BurningSteel]

AltaGuy, your crazy!

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Gio-cap sounds like Geo-cache. Or, alternatively, Gio-cash.

[442scotty]

Johnny is gonna cash in so... Johnny Cash

[Alberta_Beef]

Originally Posted by Hackey

If the Flames are trying to get Johnny on a long term deal under 7 million I could understand why these negotiations have dragged out so long. If I was his agent no way would I take a number under 7.

I think it is possible actually. I can't speak for everyone but I am pretty sure when the CBA ends we will see a lockout again, maybe lose another year. Lockouts don't happen until September, so the "signing bonus" would already be paid in full when the lockout happens. so if in 2020 and 2022 He makes 10 million and 9 of it is signing bonuses, then he may be willing to take a lower cap hit and salaries in other seasons. It's all about getting creative.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I love this post.

[The Fonz]

If there is a hard 'Gio-cap', I would assume the rule is that no player's annual salary can exceed Giordano's, but it would not apply to cap-hit/AAV for the full duration of the contract.

Giordano is paid 6.750M in each year of his 6 year contract that begins this season. Interesting to note - Monahan's new deal has 2 years where he earns as much as Giordano, but not a dollar more.
If Johnny is wanting an AAV of 7.000M+, and Flames management has a Gio-cap in place, then the only way around it is a 7 or 8 year deal for Gaudreau.

8yrs @ 7.125M AAV:
6.750
6.750
6.750
6.750
6.750
6.750
8.250
8.250

[CroFlames]

I love Johnny as much as the next guy, but 8+ million for him? That's a dangerous game.

Examine the facts. Non-point per game player over his career, and he plays the easier position of winger. Slight frame means he can't do certain things that other guys can. He's never going to win you that important face-off.

The Flames only have 2 years of service to evaluate which works against Johnny. If Johnny had play three years so far and had 2 ~80 point seasons, then yes a $7MM AAV with a couple $8MM seasons in there would be warranted.

What If Johnny is actually a 60 point winger for his career? $7MM or $8MM is a massive overpayment.

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I love Johnny as much as the next guy, but 8+ million for him? That's a dangerous game.

Examine the facts. Non-point per game player over his career, and he plays the easier position of winger. Slight frame means he can't do certain things that other guys can. He's never going to win you that important face-off.

The Flames only have 2 years of service to evaluate which works against Johnny. If Johnny had play three years so far and had 2 ~80 point seasons, then yes a $7MM AAV with a couple $8MM seasons in there would be warranted.

What If Johnny is actually a 60 point winger for his career? $7MM or $8MM is a massive overpayment.

If this is the position Calgary has taken then it's no wonder he's not signed yet.

If they honestly believe he's a 60 point player, there's a problem. He's already proven to be capable of putting up 80+ points. Players that are doing that are getting paid 8.5M - 10.5M.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

If this is the position Calgary has taken then it's no wonder he's not signed yet.

If they honestly believe he's a 60 point player, there's a problem. He's already proven to be capable of putting up 80+ points. Players that are doing that are getting paid 8.5M - 10.5M.

Well he's actually NOT proven he's capable of putting up 80+ points, and that is the problem. His career high is 78. I friggen love Johnny. But you can't let emotion dictate how much you're going to pay a guy.

Do you know who's proven to be capable of putting up 80 points? Taylor Hall. Is Taylor Hall an $8.5MM to $10.5MM player? Yikes.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

I love Johnny as much as the next guy, but 8+ million for him? That's a dangerous game.

Examine the facts. Non-point per game player over his career, and he plays the easier position of winger. Slight frame means he can't do certain things that other guys can. He's never going to win you that important face-off.

The Flames only have 2 years of service to evaluate which works against Johnny. If Johnny had play three years so far and had 2 ~80 point seasons, then yes a $7MM AAV with a couple $8MM seasons in there would be warranted.

What If Johnny is actually a 60 point winger for his career? $7MM or $8MM is a massive overpayment.

You say examine the facts and then follow that up with a mixed bag of opinions

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by saillias

You say examine the facts and then follow that up with a mixed bag of opinions

What isn't fact?

Non-point per game player over his career, FACT

and he plays the easier position of winger. FACT

Slight frame means he can't do certain things that other guys can. FACT

He's never going to win you that important face-off. FACT

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

Well he's actually NOT proven he's capable of putting up 80+ points, and that is the problem. His career high is 78. I friggen love Johnny. But you can't let emotion dictate how much you're going to pay a guy.

Do you know who's proven to be capable of putting up 80 points? Taylor Hall. Is Taylor Hall an $8.5MM to $10.5MM player? Yikes.

78 points in 79 games playing half the season with a struggling Monahan and Hudler. That's a player who has proven to be able to score 80+ points. He also scored 64p in his final 75gp as a rookie.

This is not about emotion. If they are using Hall as a bench mark, we are in trouble. He's our best player. He single handedly won us like a dozen games this year. We just paid Monahan like he's a guaranteed 65 point elite two way center, even though he's neither. It would be hugely inconsistent to not pay Johnny what he's worth. If he were eligible, teams would be offer sheeting him at 8-9MM.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

What If Johnny is actually a 60 point winger for his career? $7MM or $8MM is a massive overpayment.

Your post made some amount of sense until this.

He had 64 points in his rookie season and followed that up with 78. And you're worried he's going to be a 60 point player? Makes no sense. He's not even in his prime yet.

[Roof-Daddy]

Johnny's not a point per game player over his NHL career?

For shame Johnny, especially when you consider the vast number of players who are point per game or better in their first two NHL seasons.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

78 points in 79 games playing half the season with a struggling Monahan and Hudler. That's a player who has proven to be able to score 80+ points. He also scored 64p in his final 75gp as a rookie.

This is not about emotion. If they are using Hall as a bench mark, we are in trouble. He's our best player. He single handedly won us like a dozen games this year. We just paid Monahan like he's a guaranteed 65 point elite two way center, even though he's neither. It would be hugely inconsistent to not pay Johnny what he's worth. If he were eligible, teams would be offer sheeting him at 8-9MM.

You are not an 80 point player unless you've scored 80 pts, regardless of PPG. I love Johnny, I think he could be a 100 pt player. Could be, but he is not. This is like Oil fans claiming Hall is a 30 goal scorer when he has, in fact, never done that.

Monahan is being paid as the just slightly best version of the players who are his best comparables (Forsberg, Mackinnon), which is pretty much right where he has proven to be. Elite two-way centers, at current market price, are 8-10 million dollars. Their names are Toews, Crosby, Kopitar, and Monahan is not being paid like them.