Flames stars Sean Monahan and Johnny Gaudreau stick together

[Niemo]

Johnny's deal will either be 6 or 8 years.

8 years for 6.75M
or
6 years for 6.375M

[Gaudreauvertime]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The playoff year, Gio was the best player and there was nothing wrong with that. He was a friggen beast, and the clear cut favorite for the Norris.

Remember the last time the Flames won a Cup who the Conn Smythe winner was?

When he went down with an injury, the team didn't miss a beat. The Gio contract should certainly not be used as a measuring post, especially given his age.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

The playoff year, Gio was the best player and there was nothing wrong with that. He was a friggen beast, and the clear cut favorite for the Norris.

Remember the last time the Flames won a Cup who the Conn Smythe winner was?

I agree - Gio was awesome for 60+ games that year. And he is an excellent player. But are you suggesting he won the Conn Smythe back in 1989?

[sun]

If Gaudreau stays at the Gio cap, then I'm thinking max term will be six years - expires at the same time as Gio's and then he'll get paid $$$, hopefully by us.

I think the Gio cap is kinda dumb tbh.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by sun

If Gaudreau stays at the Gio cap, then I'm thinking max term will be six years - expires at the same time as Gio's and then he'll get paid $$$, hopefully by us.

I think the Gio cap is kinda dumb tbh.

Hopefully the Gio cap is not a real thing. It makes no sense as it hurts the team's chances of signing other good players, all for no real benefit. Honestly, it's the kind of crap I would expect from the Oilers. Hopefully Flames management is smarter than that.

[Tbull8]

It seemed to work just fine for Lidstrom and the Red Wings...

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

It seemed to work just fine for Lidstrom and the Red Wings...

Lidstrom made 7.8m (or whatever) while the cap was 39m-50m, and he was a top 5 defenseman of all time. I don't think that is a good comparable. Especially considering he anchored Red Wings teams that were basically a dynasty. Current Flames management hasn't had a sniff of success really, they are putting the cart before the horse. Institute a Gaudreau cap once he wins some Harts and the team wins some cups. Other than that, stop doing things that make your job harder for no good reason (if they even are, it's all speculation). I would be insulted if I was Gaudreau and the Flames were offering me 6-8 x $6.74m just to adhere to some random thing they decided to do. If that's going on, it's no surprise at all he hasn't signed.

[activeStick]

Yeah I posted something similar in a different thread but is the Giordano cap real? I think the Iginla one was and Sutter would reference it before but I feel like the Giordano cap is a myth.

I think Johnny's deal will make him the highest played Flame regardless of the term.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by activeStick

Yeah I posted something similar in a different thread but is the Giordano cap real? I think the Iginla one was and Sutter would reference it before but I feel like the Giordano cap is a myth.

I think Johnny's deal will make him the highest played Flame regardless of the term.

I think people think it is because the first year of Brodie's contract was structured to be slightly less than Gio's last year of his old deal, and I believe it was talked about by by Burke or Treliving. I'm thinking a lot of that has to do with the fact that Gio is the captain, they play the same position, are on a pairing and Gio WAS better at the time of the deal. I'm not sure that applies to this situation, but people may be assuming due to the Brodie thing.

Gaudreau is a whole other ball of wax though, and the Flames know it. There's just no way they can keep JG's cap hit $0.75m less than Tarasenko's, not unless they are willing to accept 4/5 year deal. Just my opinion obviously.

[sun]

Originally Posted by Tbull8

It seemed to work just fine for Lidstrom and the Red Wings...

Lidstrom was making more money and is one of the top 10 best players to ever play. Not really comparable.

[Geeoff]

Johnny Gaudreau is probably the Flames' best player already, so it doesn't make sense that he would make less money than Giordano just because he is younger. I want the best deal possible for the Flames but let's be honest, Johnny's worth at least as much as Tarasenko.

[Strange Brew]

So far Giordano has been compared favorably to Macinnis and Lidstrom.

Why not go full Bobby Orr?

[heep223]

I personally think the Gio cap is real, and I also like it as a concept. When Gio was extended Treliving talked about how important it is to set an "internal salary structure" and I believe made reference directly to this.

[taco.vidal]

Originally Posted by heep223

I personally think the Gio cap is real, and I also like it as a concept. When Gio was extended Treliving talked about how important it is to set an "internal salary structure" and I believe made reference directly to this.

Circumstances change and good management and executive realize that and adjust. Gaudreau has changed the circumstances this team if facing. If Treliving doesnt recognize that or is too stubborn to move on the Gio cap if it does exist, then this team may be in trouble With Johnny.

[heep223]

Yeah they very well might have to break it but I still like the concept. Gio is a warrior and it's his team. That's how you create culture

[drewtastic]

Every time I see this thread bumped, all I can think is: "Sticking together's what good waffles do."

[Hackey]

I don't believe for a second that the Flames have some unwritten rule that no one makes more than Gio. They may be offering Gio money because of the term he is willing to sign or perhaps because they want a lower cap hit so they have more wiggle room over the next 5-6 years. Highly doubt the team refuses to pay Gaudreau more than 6.75 just because of Gio.

[skudr248]

If this imaginary Gio cap is real, that is ####ing awesome! Speaks volumes to what kind of group we have running this organization. If we get Gaudreau under Gio money, Tree bird deserves a nice steak dinner

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by skudr248

If this imaginary Gio cap is real, that is ####ing awesome! Speaks volumes to what kind of group we have running this organization. If we get Gaudreau under Gio money, Tree bird deserves a nice steak dinner

What kind of group would restrict itself to bringing in/retaining players that make $6.75m or less? That doesn't sound like a particular good strategy if your goal is to field the best team possible on a yearly basis. Does that mean they would've let Monahan go if he signed a $6.8m offersheet?

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

What kind of group would restrict itself to bringing in/retaining players that make $6.75m or less? That doesn't sound like a particular good strategy if your goal is to field the best team possible on a yearly basis. Does that mean they would've let Monahan go if he signed a $6.8m offersheet?

Obviously not. I think it's something they are trying use as a framework to make decisions, not some hard and fast rule that they live and die by.

Someone should ask them directly at a season ticket holder session.