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Gaudreauvertime · 08-19-2016, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Cole436

Not going to happen. Gaudreau has literally no leverage here. If he ever wants to play NHL hockey again, he is at the mercy of the Flames. There's no offer sheet to play with, or fear or UFA. If he doesn't sign a deal that works for the Flames, unless he wants to play in Europe for the next 5 years, he just won't play hockey.

I think his leverage is plentiful, given the outrage that would occur if he's not signed by opening night. That's a lot of pressure on management and a huge distraction to a team that will be with a new coach and in need of a strong start to make the playoffs.

Letting your franchise player sit on the side lines isn't a great way of signaling to the fans that you're serious about winning. He's our best player. You pay your best players. If Monahan got 6.4, Gaudreau is easily worth 7.5-8 IMO.

So I think he's got plenty of leverage.

GoJetsGo · 08-19-2016, 02:41 PM

Not that it's the pissing contest some are making it out to be... but I think Johnny might have some desire to get it wrapped up before the World Cup as I don't think it would be wise on his side to play without a contract.

His comments last week lead me to believe he wants to play in it, and I think that will maybe provide some urgency to come to an amicable agreement (for both sides) within the next two weeks.

jaikorven · 08-19-2016, 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I think his leverage is plentiful, given the outrage that would occur if he's not signed by opening night. That's a lot of pressure on management and a huge distraction to a team that will be with a new coach and in need of a strong start to make the playoffs.

Letting your franchise player sit on the side lines isn't a great way of signaling to the fans that you're serious about winning. He's our best player. You pay your best players. If Monahan got 6.4, Gaudreau is easily worth 7.5-8 IMO.

So I think he's got plenty of leverage.

Fair, but much less leverage than the Flames do.

Strange Brew · 08-19-2016, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jaikorven

Fair, but much less leverage than the Flames do.

It depends. In a short term deal, he is essentially under team control and he has little leverage. But if the Flames want to buy out some UFA years, everything changes. Johnny doesn't have to sign that deal.

the2bears · 08-19-2016, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I think his leverage is plentiful, given the outrage that would occur if he's not signed by opening night. That's a lot of pressure on management and a huge distraction to a team that will be with a new coach and in need of a strong start to make the playoffs.

Letting your franchise player sit on the side lines isn't a great way of signaling to the fans that you're serious about winning. He's our best player. You pay your best players. If Monahan got 6.4, Gaudreau is easily worth 7.5-8 IMO.

So I think he's got plenty of leverage.

And no one wants the outrage.

jaikorven · 08-19-2016, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Strange Brew

It depends. In a short term deal, he is essentially under team control and he has little leverage. But if the Flames want to buy out some UFA years, everything changes. Johnny doesn't have to sign that deal.

What I am getting at (yet don't think will happen for one second) is that if he wants to play then he has to sign a contract. The Flames lose a player for a while, but he loses the pay cheque. I'm suggesting that it would hurt JG more than the Flames, if push came to shove. He is a RFA not a UFA.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 08-19-2016, 04:39 PM

I would suggest that Gaudreau has plenty of leverage if the Flames want a 7 or 8 year deal. Those deals are all based around the hypothetical of Gaudreau's potential and buying his UFA years. The Flames hold all the cards for the shorter term deals. This all comes down to whether the two sides can agree on the right number for a long term deal. At some point if it doesn't happen both sides will likely quickly agree to a shorter contract and start the season.

May 25, 1989 · 08-19-2016, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaudreauvertime

I think his leverage is plentiful, given the outrage that would occur if he's not signed by opening night. That's a lot of pressure on management and a huge distraction to a team that will be with a new coach and in need of a strong start to make the playoffs.

Letting your franchise player sit on the side lines isn't a great way of signaling to the fans that you're serious about winning. He's our best player. You pay your best players. If Monahan got 6.4, Gaudreau is easily worth 7.5-8 IMO.

So I think he's got plenty of leverage.

Brad Treliving has showed with his recent deals to Monahan, Giordano, Hamilton and Brodie that he pays his best players fair market deals or even slightly above. If Gaudreau isn't signed by opening day, the outrage would or should be directed at Gaudreau's agent. That being side, it won't come to that, deal will be signed by start of World Cup.

jaikorven · 08-19-2016, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

I would suggest that Gaudreau has plenty of leverage if the Flames want a 7 or 8 year deal. Those deals are all based around the hypothetical of Gaudreau's potential and buying his UFA years. The Flames hold all the cards for the shorter term deals. This all comes down to whether the two sides can agree on the right number for a long term deal. At some point if it doesn't happen both sides will likely quickly agree to a shorter contract and start the season.

Fair, but I was commenting on leverage to get him signed period, not specifically short or long term (UFA years)

Oling_Roachinen · 08-19-2016, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by May 25, 1989

Brad Treliving has showed with his recent deals to Monahan, Giordano, Hamilton and Brodie that he pays his best players fair market deals or even slightly above. If Gaudreau isn't signed by opening day, the outrage would or should be directed at Gaudreau's agent. That being side, it won't come to that, deal will be signed by start of World Cup.

Giordano could be argued above fair market.
Monahan for sure is fair market.
Hamilton was reportedly offered more from Boston, so I think under fair-market (but with reasons) for him.

But Brodie? The dude is about 5M underpaid for what he's bringing to the table.

polak · 08-19-2016, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jaikorven

Fair, but I was commenting on leverage to get him signed period, not specifically short or long term (UFA years)

If the negotiations actually got that bad to the point where it was a stalemate, I think the Flames would have more to lose than Johnny. Sure they can let him sit but for how long? The guy is the offense on this team.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 08-19-2016, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by polak

If the negotiations actually got that bad to the point where it was a stalemate, I think the Flames would have more to lose than Johnny. Sure they can let him sit but for how long? The guy is the offense on this team.

So you think the Flames need Johnny more than Johnny prefers the NHL to Russia? People think he already feel like he's worried about how far from home he is now.

jaikorven · 08-19-2016, 05:05 PM

I don't know about that. I can't think of a single example of a player leaving by whatever means that completely decimated a team's offence. Hold out or whatever, it is a team sport.

polak · 08-19-2016, 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

So you think the Flames need Johnny more than Johnny prefers the NHL to Russia? People think he already feel like he's worried about how far from home he is now.

You think if Johnny demanded a trade the Flames could afford to have him sit out and just sacrifice the assets he would bring to prove a point? Cause we have so many prospects waiting to step in and take his place? Players at Johnny's level hold the leverage. They always will.

This is a terrible hypothetical. POSITIVE VIBES.

Cleveland Steam Whistle · 08-19-2016, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by polak

You think if Johnny demanded a trade the Flames could afford to have him sit out and just sacrifice the assets he would bring to prove a point? Cause we have so many prospects waiting to step in and take his place? Players at Johnny's level hold the leverage. They always will.

This is a terrible hypothetical. POSITIVE VIBES.

The Flames aren't winning the cup this year, so yes I do think they could. Also, if Johnny demanded a trade the Flames have all the time in the world to Drouin him or wait for a bonanza return. All our best players are sub 25, we are in no rush.

jaikorven · 08-19-2016, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by polak

You think if Johnny demanded a trade the Flames could afford to have him sit out and just sacrifice the assets he would bring to prove a point?

First, I don't think that would ever happen, but how can any team allow a single individual to force their hand beyond what is fair market value? If it boils down to term then I expect the Flames to agree on appropriate dollars for the term he may want (short) instead of over paying on the term they want (long). imo anyway.

Finger Cookin · 08-19-2016, 05:19 PM

I think that in the next 3-4 weeks Treliving will forget everything he's ever learned about running a hockey club and sign Gaudreau to an 8 year, $116.8M contract.

polak · 08-19-2016, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jaikorven

First, I don't think that would ever happen, but how can any team allow a single individual to force their hand beyond what is fair market value? If it boils down to term then I expect the Flames to agree on appropriate dollars for the term he may want (short) instead of over paying on the term they want (long). imo anyway.

It depends on what the divide in each sides idea of fair is. I'm just saying if Johnny didn't want to sign I think he could force their hand. Drouin wasn't a tenth of the impact player Johnny is.

Gaudreauvertime · 08-19-2016, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by May 25, 1989

Brad Treliving has showed with his recent deals to Monahan, Giordano, Hamilton and Brodie that he pays his best players fair market deals or even slightly above. If Gaudreau isn't signed by opening day, the outrage would or should be directed at Gaudreau's agent. That being side, it won't come to that, deal will be signed by start of World Cup.

The pressure always ends up on management when you are dealing with a superstar. This is the core of our offense for potentially the next decade. Pay the man what he wants, move other players if need be to make space.

Yes, it's a team sport. And this team needs a happy, motivated Gaudreau to be competitive in the future.

VilleN · 08-19-2016, 05:31 PM

After the Monahan deal, I'm a lot less worried about Gaudreau's deal. It seems that Treliving just likes to take his time, nothing dramatic or worrisome was going on with the Monahan contract and I would suspect the same is true of Gaudreau. Just the way Tre does it.

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