It was a DUD!!! NK Test a Failure??

[HOZ]

I started this thread due to the deterioration of the other thread.



Well there is suspicion that the Nuke was a DUD or Faked.

Here is Reuter's take....Hmmmm???


So if this is true then in 6 months they have shown that they can't launch missiles during a rainstorm nor fire off enriched plutonium.

Maybe they should stick to drug running.

[Shazam]

"It's a FAAAAAKE!"

[pepper24]

Not surprised that the North Koreans are more talk than walk.

[Jayems]

still a dumb move cause they've not upset china, and if it is a fake.. well, it puts them in a worse position than they were when they were just "claiming" to have one.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Jayems

still a dumb move cause they've not upset china, and if it is a fake.. well, it puts them in a worse position than they were when they were just "claiming" to have one.

I think China is a lot less concerned about this than some people are making them out to be. They have a lot more influence over Kim than people give them credit for. I wouldn't surprised if they covertly approved the test.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I think China is a lot less concerned about this than some people are making them out to be. They have a lot more influence over Kim than people give them credit for. I wouldn't surprised if they covertly approved the test.

maybe not suprised, but you would be wrong. This was a big slap in the face to China internationally. It hurt their diplomatic clout. They know it and they are mad.

[Scorponok]

China doesn't like it, although they have been pretty close with N.Korea because of their communist ties. A nuclear N.Korea means a scared ****less Japan, which in turn means a nuclear Japan within the next 6 months. And what if Taiwan decides THEY also want nukes? If China wants to be the only "Big Boi" in NE Asia, they are going to have to step up to the plate and tell Lil Kim he can't have his nukes.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by White Doors

maybe not suprised, but you would be wrong. This was a big slap in the face to China internationally. It hurt their diplomatic clout. They know it and they are mad.

I think they say they don't like it, but I don't think they really mind. I also don't think it really hurt China 'internationally'. They're doing jus' fine. If anything they've been gaining diplomatic clout by appearing to be with the US/Russia/Europe on this thing rather than not cooperating. Notice that China is the one resisting the possible military intervention Japan is calling for.

I think this incident suits China. Less people looking at China = good. In the late 90's we were all 'but what about human rights!', now we're all 'but what about North Korea!'. Good turn of events for China. My opinion anyway.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by Scorponok

China doesn't like it, although they have been pretty close with N.Korea because of their communist ties. A nuclear N.Korea means a scared ****less Japan, which in turn means a nuclear Japan within the next 6 months. And what if Taiwan decides THEY also want nukes? If China wants to be the only "Big Boi" in NE Asia, they are going to have to step up to the plate and tell Lil Kim he can't have his nukes.

I think a nuclear Japan in 6 months is a bit much. The US can cover Japan 'nuclear-wise' with their subs, no problem. Japan is not in imminent danger because it doesn't posess nuclear weapons, and they still have pretty big issues with full re-militarization, that hurdle hasn't been fully jumped yet.

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

I think they say they don't like it, but I don't think they really mind. I also don't think it really hurt China 'internationally'. They're doing jus' fine. If anything they've been gaining diplomatic clout by appearing to be with the US/Russia/Europe on this thing rather than not cooperating. Notice that China is the one resisting the possible military intervention Japan is calling for.

I think this incident suits China. Less people looking at China = good. In the late 90's we were all 'but what about human rights!', now we're all 'but what about North Korea!'. Good turn of events for China. My opinion anyway.

I guess that is one way of looking at it, but all of the international experst I saw on TV said it was a huge embarrassment for the Chinese. This hurt them more than it will hurt NK diplomatically.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by White Doors

I guess that is one way of looking at it, but all of the international experst I saw on TV said it was a huge embarrassment for the Chinese. This hurt them more than it will hurt NK diplomatically.

Yeah... I'd still be pretty shocked if China really didn't want the nuke to be tested. I don't really see how it hurts their diplomatic standing with anyone. Again, they're (seen to be) on the side of the US/Europe/Russia here... I think their diplomatic relations would be hurt a lot more if they condoned the test or stayed 'neutral'. At least this way they look like they're with the international body politic. I just don't think they are, and I think the US knows this, but who wants to cause a major incident? China's doing fine, and the US is in no shape. You want to talk damaged international diplomatic standing, start talking about the US.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by White Doors

I guess that is one way of looking at it, but all of the international experst I saw on TV said it was a huge embarrassment for the Chinese. This hurt them more than it will hurt NK diplomatically.

I also think this will devastate North Korea diplomatically. No way does China lose more from this test than North Korea. Its been suggested NK may be following the Pakistan route; develop and test the bomb and ride out the sanctions. Pakistan went through several years of sanctions and condemnation, and now they're an important ally on the War against Terror!

[White Doors]

start talking about the US

Yes, I'm sure that you would love to

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Yes, I'm sure that you would love to

Well, you mentioned China's international diplomatic standing would be hurt by this, I'm just saying that the damage will probably be much less than the US has sustained over the past 5 years.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Weel I guess it wasn't a "dud"

Radioactive materials prove North Korea conducted nuclear test

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/1...firmation.html

I win the pool.

[Agamemnon]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Weel I guess it wasn't a "dud"

Radioactive materials prove North Korea conducted nuclear test

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2006/1...firmation.html

I win the pool.

Sooo... you set up the pool, make the only guess, and then declare yourself the winner after you guess December 27th? Good job... you must be proud.

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Agamemnon

Sooo... you set up the pool, make the only guess, and then declare yourself the winner after you guess December 27th? Good job... you must be proud.

I am....it was closest to the date wins. So since there were no other guesses....well....I win. Haha

[Knut]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

I am....it was closest to the date wins. So since there were no other guesses....well....I win. Haha

Here's your prize...

[jolinar of malkshor]

Originally Posted by Hesla

Here's your prize...

Yaaaaaa

Haha, how long did it take you to look for something so appropriate or do you have that saved on your desktop for special occations.

Good one

[Knut]

Originally Posted by jolinar of malkshor

Yaaaaaa

Haha, how long did it take you to look for something so appropriate or do you have that saved on your desktop for special occations.

Good one

Its called google images