You can tell it's summer. One interview in Sweden and we have a player that oozes character and is a better skating PK Subban.
Anyway, I am bullish on him too. If he emerges as a major talent, it really gives the Flames a fantastic young core.
I think the kid is a major talent already. Whether or not he combines all his hockey skills with determination, professionalism and dedication, that remains to be seen.
No question he has the talent to play in the NHL, but as we all know, it takes more than that to get into the show and stay there.
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I am beyond excited for Kylington and have been ever since we drafted him.
Another question mark going into the draft was where he'd be playing the following season. Still under contract in the SEL the team who drafted him wouldn't be able to control his development. Getting him not only to North America, but the AHL last season was a massive step in the right direction for Kylington. By turning pro at 18, the Flames have been in control of his on-ice AND off-ice development. He's learning how to be a pro and this interview is already showing the pay off.
Also, I hear the kid has skills.
1:12 to see Kylington's speed getting him out of trouble. Where have I seen that before??
1:50 for a bullet of a wrister.
2:10 smart play by Kylington in an outdoor game. Skates to the traffic and screen then releases a shot surrounded by opposing players.
I was trying to find a highlight of either his 1st or 2nd AHL goal, but I can't find a clip now. I remember watching the highlight and for a second I thought I was watching a Sens game and Karlsson scoring a highlight reel goal. Nope it was Kylington.
Edit: Couldn't find a youtube highlight, but if you can suffer through the buffer it's at 1:48.
Just a really smart and confident play. It seems like a simple play to execute and it is, but to immediately recognize that there's open ice and an opportunity for a scoring chance in a high danger zone goes to show how high his hockey IQ is. You can't teach that.
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Based on the excitement that Kylington's NHL game has generated it really make one wonder whether Sieloff will be immediately paired with Karlssson or whether he will have to play RD with Phanuef.
Sieloff had a stronger NHL game (career) than Kylington Both played in the same game. Sieloff had the GW goal to go along with 3 hits..couple of blocked shots... upped his trade value so the Flames got Chaisson to fill in on the top line.
Sieloff was the last d-man to make Flames roster out of training camp as a 19 year old before injuries took him down..... Finally got his first game with the Flames
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I would hope posters aren't basing their opinion more on interviews than on ice performance.
Meh, People are swing voters. Look at Jankowski as an example. He was getting lots of praise during development camp and he managed to earn 2nd best prospect. Jankowski's career hasnt been "stellar" in a conventional sense. It's been a slow progress. Gillies on the hand loses to Jankowski but has had such an exceptional career this far he's probably one of highest ranking prospects in the world.
I have him and Anderssen at 3/4 and very close. I also don't have Janko in my top 3 so still have Tkachuk, and Gillies ahead of the D prospects.
Agreed Jankowski was getting some serious development camp love, so I suspect If Gillies won that round and Kylington was getting this kind of love, then it might be a different result
Jankowski was easily the best player at Dev. Camp. He oozes skill and was definitely the most NHL-ready guy there, or so it seemed. I'm pumped for him.
But, I can see why some people have him lower than the #2 spot. He's still a project for sure, but there's serious potential there.
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Meh, People are swing voters. Look at Jankowski as an example. He was getting lots of praise during development camp and he managed to earn 2nd best prospect. Jankowski's career has been "stellar" in a conventional sense. It's been a slow progress. Gillies on the hand loses to Jankowski but has had such an exceptional career this far he's probably one of highest ranking prospects in the world.
I think Jankowski is ranked right where he should be based on the position he plays and how he's developed. I also think there's a degree of premature 'I told you so' at play with him, considering how polarizing he's been since day one.
There's a strong argument to be made that Janko has done absolutely everything the Flames have asked him, and sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded. The only 'knock' at this point against the young man is he'll never be more than the #3C on a team with Bennett and Monahan.
Both Gillies and Jankowski should be NHL players, though I don't think it's unreasonable to give Jankowski the higher prospect ranking since he's very likely to be an NHL player before Gillies.
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I think Jankowski is ranked right where he should be based on the position he plays and how he's developed. I also think there's a degree of premature 'I told you so' at play with him, considering how polarizing he's been since day one.
There's a strong argument to be made that Janko has done absolutely everything the Flames have asked him, and sometimes people deserve to have their faith rewarded. The only 'knock' at this point against the young man is he'll never be more than the #3C on a team with Bennett and Monahan.
Both Gillies and Jankowski should be NHL players, though I don't think it's unreasonable to give Jankowski the higher prospect ranking since he's very likely to be an NHL player before Gillies.
I think this is just homerism. Look at what attributes you're characterizing him with:
- Did everything he was asked of
- Position
- Be an NHLer before Gilles
Meanwhile Gillies has been objectively ranked high amongst scouts and media, relative to his peers, whereas Jankowski has never been (from what I've seen anyways) among the top 50 NHL prospects. It's hard to compare because most top prospects lists separate forwards/defenseman from goalies, but Jankowski never even cracks lists, whereas Gillies is consistently highly touted.
I like Jankowski and I would certainly put him in the top 10 Flames prospects, but if you read analysis from multiples sources outside of CP and take an objective look, Gillies is hands down a higher rated prospect than Jankowski.
I like Jankowski and I would certainly put him in the top 10 Flames prospects, but if you read analysis from multiples sources outside of CP and take an objective look, Gillies is hands down a higher rated prospect than Jankowski.
The rankings aren't an aggregate of outside sources, though. They're the collective opinion of this one website's users. And this one website's users collectively prefer Mark Jankowski over Jon Gillies, making him hands down the higher-rated prospect.
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The rankings aren't an aggregate of outside sources, though. They're the collective opinion of this one website's users. And this one website's users collectively prefer Mark Jankowski over Jon Gillies, making him hands down the higher-rated prospect.
Sure they are. THN houses a staff of writers who are paid to watch prospects. That's an aggregate list? Hockeys future uses aggregate lists from each team HF forum, as well as their own reports to generate their rankings. People here were hearing comments from people watching development camp and were persuaded that Jankowski was better than all other prospects.
How many CP users post in the prospect thread during the regular season? It's a ghost town outside of a small group. This subject is strictly a niche sub-hockey field that only the hardcores who actually follow MORE than the NHL can contribute to, but the polls are not, so they're swung by popular vote, just as we see in every type of public poll. Was John Scott all-star caliber as a result of aggregate say?
Look at it analytically. Gillies has put up stellar numbers since hes been drafted. Jankowski has finally started putting up expected numbers. Gillies has always been a starter since his draft. Jankowski wasn't his team's number one centre until his 4th year of NCAA, arguably his 3rd. Relative to goalie prospects, Gillies has always been a top prospect. Relative to centres, Jankowski has always been controversial.
Hell, Jankowski wasnt even highly touted by Flames fans until after his 4th year and AHL stint. Gillies has always ranked high amongst Flames fans.
Edit: Jankowski won by less than 2% over Gillies. He received a minority victory, since less than 50% of those who voted had him as #2. That's not "hands down" aggregate consensus.
Look at it analytically. Gillies has put up stellar numbers since hes been drafted. Jankowski has finally started putting up expected numbers. Gillies has always been a starter since his draft. Jankowski wasn't his team's number one centre until his 4th year of NCAA, arguably his 3rd. Relative to goalie prospects, Gillies has always been a top prospect. Relative to centres, Jankowski has always been controversial.
Hell, Jankowski wasnt even highly touted by Flames fans until after his 4th year and AHL stint. Gillies has always ranked high amongst Flames fans.
Edit: Jankowski won by less than 2% over Gillies. He received a minority victory, since less than 50% of those who voted had him as #2. That's not "hands down" aggregate consensus.
I am not even getting into an argument that defends Jankowski, or any other prospect. I just don't get why you have to try and constantly argue that Jankowski is too highly rated and that somehow people are wrong for having him that high. You don't know that. You may have a different opinion, and of course you should voice it and create discussion of the like on this board, but you are repeating yourself ad nauseum. This is a Kylington thread.
As for people not being high on Jankowski until after his 4th year - I don't think you have been paying attention. Just look up my posts since he was drafted, or Mastadon's posts, or a number of other posters who followed his development closely. He had quite the number of 'fans' here from the start, so blanket statements don't hold much water and aren't gospel.
I am not high on Shinkaruk at all - I personally don't think he will amount to very much in the NHL - but I don't repeat myself and try to change people's opinions. Why? Because way too many prospects go out and make NHL scouts, GMs and other experts fools.
Just even looking at the Flames it is plain as day:
Loob in the 9th round
Suter in the 9th round
Hull in the 6th round (and already twice passed over in the draft, ffs!)
Fleury in the 8th round
How about an undrafted St Louis
Our currently undrafted captain
How about a 4th round 5'6", 135lb forward becoming one of the most talked about players in the entire NHL due to his success thus far?
Did you have Gaudreau ranked ahead of Baertschi his draft year?
Point is, why go to great lengths to continually beat a drum that a prospect you don't like as much is too highly regarded by other people on this forum? It is one thing to defend a prospect you like from posters prematurely calling said prospect a bust, and pointing out the strengths and coming up with compelling arguments as to why some people are being premature with bust statements. It is something else to tell people that they are wrong to like a prospect.
I don't like Shinkaruk much as a prospect - but that doesn't mean that Shinkaruk is going to be a bust. Heck, he could end up being a completely awesome player for Calgary who becomes regarded as not only a core piece, but that 'franchise changing' player. Sure, I would bet money against it, but why would I go on this forum and continually criticize people for liking him?
Do you get where I am going with this? Your easy response is that this is a forum and you are simply having a discussion, and so on. You are 100% right with that argument. What you could very well be wrong with is your own projections and rankings of prospects that you won't stop about. This isn't terrible in itself, but what rubs people the wrong way is when focus on a prospect negatively over and over.. and over. You are not 'more right' for being down on a prospect like Jankowski if you keep it up and actually sway some people into doubting him, just like I will not be more right by firing off 10 posts in short order extolling his virtues and swinging people back.
It wasn't long ago that Baertschi was heralded as the next face of the franchise who just couldn't miss with his hard working nature and skill level. He flopped. Barely anyone beating the drum for Brodie as a sure-fire NHL player, much less reaching this level. It is not wrong to be very high on Jankowski because, you know what? He has been developing positively every year without stagnating, and though his sample size was short, he looked pretty good in the AHL and instantly gained the coach's trust. Why is it wrong to have him ranked anywhere?
You are not wrong for ranking him lower, as I am not wrong for ranking him higher - at least not at this point, because nobody here knows where any prospect will develop into with time. No need to tell people they were wrong, as it could just as easily be you that is wrong in time and needlessly throwing around a cold bucket of negativity - at least not as often as you are doing, imo.
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