Predict the Monahan and Gaudreau signings

[red sky]

Originally Posted by Robbob

The one advantage is the exchange rate works in the Flames favour for the foreseeable future. Pretty much a 30% bump.

Sure. But Johnny will live back home in the offseason and he will be on the road for 50% of his games. The FX bump likley works better for Monahan.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flame19,289

#13: $6.8M x 5 years
#23: $6.25M x 8 years

The signing will be officially announced on 8/18, when the moon is full.
Bob McKenzie is the first to break news of the signing.

If it's 5 years (which it won't be), it certainly won't be for $6.8M, as there would be no UFA years involved.

If it's in the 4 or 5 year range, it would more likely be in the $5-5.5M range.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Robbob

The one advantage is the exchange rate works in the Flames favour for the foreseeable future. Pretty much a 30% bump.

For a guy who only spends time here while he plays and likely doesn't plan to live here it probably isn't that big of a deal.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Weitz

For a guy who only spends time here while he plays and likely doesn't plan to live here it probably isn't that big of a deal.

He doesn't just spend time here while he plays. He comes to Calgary often when he's not in school. And this is his second year in the NHL and Calgary, so kind of hard to tell what his future plans are for where he will live in the off season.

You don't think when he buys a home here it will be a big deal? Or a car? Or pretty much everything else? Even if he chooses to live somewhere else in the off season that's still 8 months he is in Canada so yes it's a big deal.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Weitz

For a guy who only spends time here while he plays and likely doesn't plan to live here it probably isn't that big of a deal.

As ^ said, a 30% discount on large purchases he will make in Calgary is a pretty big deal.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by heep223

As ^ said, a 30% discount on large purchases he will make in Calgary is a pretty big deal.

Yes but a 1M house in Calgary is a 500k-700k house in most of the nhl cities in the US. So it works both ways. Stuff is cheaper down there.
I would say that exchange just makes things more even rather then giving the edge to Canadian cities.

[calgaryblood]

Originally Posted by Samonadreau

Yes but a 1M house in Calgary is a 500k-700k house in most of the nhl cities in the US. So it works both ways. Stuff is cheaper down there.
I would say that exchange just makes things more even rather then giving the edge to Canadian cities.

And when he sells it it'll likely still be a $1 million dollar house so no loss there.

[yourbestfriend]

Originally Posted by Robbob

The one advantage is the exchange rate works in the Flames favour for the foreseeable future. Pretty much a 30% bump.

The fx is an advantage for the player. In terms of cash, they're getting ~30% more money in their bank accounts vs if they were playing in the US.
The fx is a disadvantage from an ownership point of view, as they end up paying their players ~30% extra versus US teams.

For johnny/sean the fx doesn't really matter. They don't have the option of signing with another team. If they were both UFA's and have the choice of signing where ever, then the fx might come into decision their decision making.

[Samonadreau]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

And when he sells it it'll likely still be a $1 million dollar house so no loss there.

True. But then he either buys a 2M house that would be 1M-1.5M in most NHL cities in the states or moves back home and has to exchange it back to American so loss.

The exchange makes it Even Steven.

[Nage Waza]

I am not saying that Johnny is the best player in Flames history, but as a serious fan since ~'84, Johnny is easily the most impressive player I have seen on the Flames. Not a single player had the magic Johnny seems to have in terms of determining what takes place on the ice. Literally every time he has the puck a dangerous and unusual situation is created which creates pure chaos for the other team. The era for a guy like Johnny is certainly now, and we need to lock him up.

[Dan02]

Originally Posted by heep223

If he is a late bloomer, and is going to keep getting better after placing 6th in league scoring, wouldn't a bridge deal be a disaster for the team?

If Johnny continues to improve after placing 6th in league scoring you back the dump truck up and bury him in money.

Johnny would be leaving a ton of money on the table potentially if he signs a 7 or 8 year deal at only 7 or less as some here are suggesting. It takes him outside the prime years and he gets underpaid in his prime years.

The team on the other hand obviously wants to keep Johnny under team control as long as possible. Thus really a 4-6 year deal which would let Johnny leave early via UFA isn't ideal for the team, but would allow Johnny to get another contract in while still in his prime years.

There is a mammoth amount of difference in the contract a 27 year old Gaudreau would receive versus a 31 year old.

Thus the ideal middle ground for both party's is probably around a 2 year contract, he remains under team control for the next contract negotiation and gets the opportunity to prove he's worth being paid in the eilte category of NHL players.

Let's remember there are 10 players in the NHL who made over 10 million last season. If Johnny continues to put up top 5 numbers he belongs in that group. His agent would be a moron to let him sign a 8 year 7 million contract at this point. He could literally be leaving 20+ million on the table.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by calgaryblood

He doesn't just spend time here while he plays. He comes to Calgary often when he's not in school. And this is his second year in the NHL and Calgary, so kind of hard to tell what his future plans are for where he will live in the off season.

You don't think when he buys a home here it will be a big deal? Or a car? Or pretty much everything else? Even if he chooses to live somewhere else in the off season that's still 8 months he is in Canada so yes it's a big deal.

That's a double edged sword. If you're talking strictly economics, he is better off playing in the city he wants to live in year round.

Which I guess is kind of the crux of the issue. How many American players sign 7 or 8 year deals to play in Canada? Particularly a player who didn't play junior hockey here either.

Im starting to think its not a bad sign this is taking a while as it should indicate they are working on a long term deal. If Johnny's camp had no interest in a LT deal you'd think it would be settled by now. The longer the deal, the more complex in this case.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Dan02

If Johnny continues to improve after placing 6th in league scoring you back the dump truck up and bury him in money.

Johnny would be leaving a ton of money on the table potentially if he signs a 7 or 8 year deal at only 7 or less as some here are suggesting. It takes him outside the prime years and he gets underpaid in his prime years.

The team on the other hand obviously wants to keep Johnny under team control as long as possible. Thus really a 4-6 year deal which would let Johnny leave early via UFA isn't ideal for the team, but would allow Johnny to get another contract in while still in his prime years.

There is a mammoth amount of difference in the contract a 27 year old Gaudreau would receive versus a 31 year old.

Thus the ideal middle ground for both party's is probably around a 2 year contract, he remains under team control for the next contract negotiation and gets the opportunity to prove he's worth being paid in the eilte category of NHL players.

Let's remember there are 10 players in the NHL who made over 10 million last season. If Johnny continues to put up top 5 numbers he belongs in that group. His agent would be a moron to let him sign a 8 year 7 million contract at this point. He could literally be leaving 20+ million on the table.

For some reason I keep missing responses to my posts on tapatalk since they updated the UI....anyone else having this issue?

If Gaudreau signs a 2 year deal after all of this, Bingo might have to add some more servers because this place is going to be a gongshow.

[polak]

I'd be shocked if it's not a bridge deal. People are going to lose it.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by polak

I'd be shocked if it's not a bridge deal. People are going to lose it.

Be ready to be shocked. Didn't Treliving already day he was talking long term with both?

[polak]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Be ready to be shocked. Didn't Treliving already day he was talking long term with both?

Yeah and notice how he hasn't signed them yet and it's mid August?

[hockey.modern]

Remember Mark Giordano didn't sign until August 25th. Still not worried at all.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by hockey.modern

Remember Mark Giordano didn't sign until August 25th. Still not worried at all.

True, but that was just on an extension when he still had one season left to play on his contract at the time.

[smiggy77]

pardon my ignorance but are there any specific dates we should be weary of? Or is it that they would hold out if this extends into the season?

[Robbob]

The first significant date IMO is the start of the world cup of hockey.