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Old 08-10-2016, 12:59 PM   #10161
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I strongly disagree this is an intentional behaviour. I think the guy who ghost wrote the art of the deals piece about trump is very informative to dispelling this myth that trump is an evil genius. This is the real trump. That isn't to say he doesn't do the things you describe, he does, and what is key has no control over them.

The idea that he is intentionally playing people as rubes is flawed because otherwise his convention would have looked much better then what it was. His message would have pivoted slightly, he wouldn't have challenged the Khans. There is no method, just all trump all the time.

The important difference is if you believe it's a show you could make the arguememt (and I was on this side earlier in the primary) that when real Trump comes out he would be an effective president. This is dangerous and faulty thinkingZ. Their is no evidence that the Trump we see isn't the real Trump.
I think he's using his one master-level tool for the entire election. I'm not suggesting that his effectiveness at these communications techniques covers a master strategist under the surface. I don't think that's the case.

He's more like the ultimate car salesman, who has proven that being a master car salesmen can get you one step from the White House.

And I'm not even sure all of the things he does are deliberate or trained. He does them because they have worked for him in the past, or it's just an innate thing.
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I strongly disagree this is an intentional behaviour. I think the guy who ghost wrote the art of the deals piece about trump is very informative to dispelling this myth that trump is an evil genius. This is the real trump. That isn't to say he doesn't do the things you describe, he does, and what is key has no control over them.
Schwartz has said numerous times that Trump is a smart guy. He's also stated he is a master manipulator. As a master manipulator you understand your mark and you use things to you advantage that you know they will respond to positively or negatively. This is Trump in a nut shell.

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The idea that he is intentionally playing people as rubes is flawed because otherwise his convention would have looked much better then what it was. His message would have pivoted slightly, he wouldn't have challenged the Khans. There is no method, just all trump all the time.
Not necessarily. What he didn't do was present a convention that you were hoping to see. What was presented was exactly what he wanted you to see. He tapped into the metaphors that reach his target constituent. He used language that was down to their level. He used theatrics that appealed to that type of voter. This was a very well constructed and messaged program based on the audience he was hoping to reach. Part of what draws this particular segment of the population is his ego and him being presented as strong man. This segment of the population believes in the strong patriarch leader and this is exactly what Trump portrayed in this convention.

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The important difference is if you believe it's a show you could make the arguememt (and I was on this side earlier in the primary) that when real Trump comes out he would be an effective president. This is dangerous and faulty thinkingZ. Their is no evidence that the Trump we see isn't the real Trump.
Again, and this is you framing Trump as you hope him to be rather than accepting what he is, a sociopath. This isn't a show, this is what he is. Trump doesn't care for the process or the betterment of anyone but Donald Trump. Why do you think he offered the whole ball of wax, control of both the domestic and foreign policy, to His possible running mates? He just said wants the title and position to extend his sphere of influence, not be part of the process. The guy is a sociopath. Textbook DSM 5 sociopath. He is presenting messaging campaigns that he believe will help him achieve his end goals, and based on the resolve of his supporters, he's achieving that goal.
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And this is exactly why the Republicans deserve Trump. Even the so-called moderates of the party are completely out of touch.

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Washington (CNN)Florida Sen. Marco Rubio says he opposes abortions for women infected with Zika, as the health crisis sweeps his home state.

"I understand a lot of people disagree with my view -- but I believe that all human life is worthy of protection of our laws. And when you present it in the context of Zika or any prenatal condition, it's a difficult question and a hard one," Rubio told POLITICO Saturday. "But if I'm going to err, I'm going to err on the side of life."
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Donald Trump is under fire from LGBT advocates for his and Florida Sen. Marco Rubio’s decision to attend what they consider an anti-LGBT event just miles from Pulse nightclub in Orlando, where a gunman claimed the lives of 49 people at the reputedly gay venue in June.

Adding insult to injury, the gathering is set to take place on the two-month anniversary of the shooting.

What concerns LGBT groups is the event’s roster of speakers, which includes David Barton, a Republican Party activist who has said that God is justly preventing a cure for HIV/AIDS because it is a divine “penalty” for homosexuality; co-founder of Liberty Counsel Mat Staver, who’s organization defended Kim Davis, the Kentucky county clerk who gained notoriety last year after refusing to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples; Ken Graves, a Maine pastor who believes gay people “seek to take over our land and make it Sodom;” and Bill Federer, a religious conspiracy theorist, who said gay rights are bringing about the “Islamist takeover of America.”
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I don't know why you'd expect anything different on the abortion statement from Rubio.

The other one is certainly pretty dumb... although for Christ's sake, can they not get a copy editor to figure out "who's" from "whose"?
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I don't know why you'd expect anything different on the abortion statement from Rubio.

The other one is certainly pretty dumb... although for Christ's sake, can they not get a copy editor to figure out "who's" from "whose"?
I don't but that's part of the problem. To most moderates and especially women, it's not a defensible position.

The second article is trash for a bunch of different reasons. It's largely sensationalist garbage which is why I only posted what I thought was relevant.
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It's no more or less defensible than a general pro-life stance, is it? Basically Zika is the same as any other pre-natal condition, and he'd similarly oppose abortion in those cases too. Again, if you assume that the pro-lifer thinks abortion is murder, he's going to think it's murder whether the baby is healthy or not.
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It's no more or less defensible than a general pro-life stance, is it? Basically Zika is the same as any other pre-natal condition, and he'd similarly oppose abortion in those cases too. Again, if you assume that the pro-lifer thinks abortion is murder, he's going to think it's murder whether the baby is healthy or not.
No, I get that. It's just classic Republican nonsense because when it comes to funding for prenatal and postnatal care for a child with complications resulting from Zika the Republicans/pro-lifers are usually nowhere to be found. I realize it's not the same argument but the disconnect is incredibly frustrating.
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A climber is now scaling the Trump Tower [CNN]
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Old 08-10-2016, 04:04 PM   #10169
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Looks like a live feed?


Way too politically correct these days, they should hook a line onto that idiot and yank him off.

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Looks like a live feed?

Way too politically correct these days, they should hook a line onto that idiot and yank him off.
He's white though, it's okay we'll be safe.
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Suction cups?! Don't let the Mexicans get ahold of that technology or the whole wall scheme will be all for naught!
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Old 08-10-2016, 04:17 PM   #10172
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That was my number one thought when I saw this, how good is this campaign ad going to be against Trump? "His buildings can be scaled by a crackpot 20 something hipster. His wall will never stop Mexicans"

Edit: Lol predictably didn't take long for this account to show up

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LOL the NYPD almost drilled him with a plane of glass.

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LOL the NYPD almost drilled him with a plane of glass.

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So the next time someone in the GOP tries to say Trump isn't true representation of the party, someone should bust this poll out. And no this isn't old, this is from a month ago. If Trump wins, guessing there's a good chance we get Congressional hearings on Obama being Kenyan.



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^^^ #### the democrats too. How that isn't over 99% Agree for either side is ####ing ridiculous.
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^^^ #### the democrats too. How that isn't over 99% Agree for either side is ####ing ridiculous.
You're overestimating how many people pay attention. I bet there's 15% that have no clue that's controversial, bad or even in question
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You're overestimating how many people pay attention. I bet there's 15% that have no clue that's controversial, bad or even in question
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