[News] Arbitrator reduces Wideman suspension to 10 games from 20

[getoverit]

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Originally Posted by TheScorpion

That's a gross exaggeration.

People make mistakes. Wideman made a big mistake, yes, but he was likely concussed and he's apologized for his actions. The same went for Bertuzzi. I like both players, and we gave Bertuzzi a chance after his mistake. He thrived, so why can't Dennis? He isn't scum.

Nice people go to prison every day for making big mistakes. Wideman got off easy because it was on the ice instead of the street. Thank goodness he apologized. It makes it all better.

And to compare this to the Bertuzzi incident does not help your arguement.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by getoverit

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[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Exactly. Assuming that the official ended Yakupov's career. The official showed a lack of remorse. Blamed the media and Oilers for the incident. Blamed it on a concussion, while going hiking and playing golf immediately after the event while "not being able to recall" the incident when asked...But seeing as that isn't the case. I guess, no my logic does not seem to suggest that the ref was scum.


If he did it because he was not in a sound state of mind, then he should have been remorseful instead of blaming the media and refs. He very possibly ended the career of a veteran official and blamed the refs and media for his suspension. That makes him scum in my book.

Let's say you are driving and some kid on a bike swerves from the sidewalk to the road. You hit him, completely accidentally and at no fault of your own. But if your first thought is to text your friends about the big scratch on your car instead of the child being lifted to the hospital, you are scum.

Again, that's assuming that Wideman did not intentionally just mean to push the ref out of his way. Big dumb hockey player doing something stupid in fit of rage isn't exactly surprising, except that it was an official this time. If the linesman had a Nashville jersey on, not a single person is calling this an "accident."

No one defended Chris Simon when he two-handed Hollweg, yet he had just very likely suffered a similar degree of brain injury.

If he was not wearing a Flaming C during the incident, this thread would be entirely different.

Once again we are dealing with a guy that is not in a sound state of mind. Aggressive behaviour is a side effect. It is natural to be mad about the situation. I think Wideman is remorseful but also angry how much this has carried on.

As for the Chris Simon incident.

Yes, there was not the same understanding to the avereage fan even only 9 years ago to the understanding of brain injuries. Had we known then what we do know know we could at least have a dialogue of why he might of acted so. The facts are it was not publicly common knowledge the effects of jead trauma to the same level we know now. It's a. " If I knew then what I know now" and "hindsight is 20/20"scenarios.


Wideman didn't text about the stupid refs untill a day or 2 after untill the circus show started around the situation. Comparing it to hitting a kid in your car and immediately sending a friend comparisons are just plain silly. The two have no correlation to one another and are terrible comparisons. Wideman apologized to Henderson during the game already.

The only people in this situation that look like bafoons are the NHL for letting Wideman and Henderson finish the game out. The Flames could uabe gone down a man and the N.H.l. have other officials in the wings that can fill in in case of a medicail emergency.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Exactly. Assuming that the official ended Yakupov's career. The official showed a lack of remorse. Blamed the media and Oilers for the incident. Blamed it on a concussion, while going hiking and playing golf immediately after the event while "not being able to recall" the incident when asked...But seeing as that isn't the case. I guess, no my logic does not seem to suggest that the ref was scum.


If he did it because he was not in a sound state of mind, then he should have been remorseful instead of blaming the media and refs. He very possibly ended the career of a veteran official and blamed the refs and media for his suspension. That makes him scum in my book.

Let's say you are driving and some kid on a bike swerves from the sidewalk to the road. You hit him, completely accidentally and at no fault of your own. But if your first thought is to text your friends about the big scratch on your car instead of the child being lifted to the hospital, you are scum.

Again, that's assuming that Wideman did not intentionally just mean to push the ref out of his way. Big dumb hockey player doing something stupid in fit of rage isn't exactly surprising, except that it was an official this time. If the linesman had a Nashville jersey on, not a single person is calling this an "accident."

No one defended Chris Simon when he two-handed Hollweg, yet he had just very likely suffered a similar degree of brain injury.

If he was not wearing a Flaming C during the incident, this thread would be entirely different.

Once again we are dealing with a guy that is not in a sound state of mind. Aggressive behaviour is a side effect. It is natural to be mad about the situation. I think Wideman is remorseful but also angry how much this has carried on.

As for the Chris Simon incident.

Yes, there was not the same understanding to the avereage fan even only 9 years ago to the understanding of brain injuries. Had we known then what we do know know we could at least have a dialogue of why he might of acted so. The facts are it was not publicly common knowledge the effects of jead trauma to the same level we know now. It's a. " If I knew then what I know now" and "hindsight is 20/20"scenarios.


Wideman didn't text about the stupid refs untill a day or 2 after untill the circus show started around the situation. Comparing it to hitting a kid in your car and immediately sending a friend comparisons are just plain silly. The two have no correlation to one another and are terrible comparisons. Wideman apologized to Henderson during the game already.

Your opinion is coming from (what I assume) is a person that is of sound ,body and mind. Wideman has been proven not to jave been in this state. Your assumptions come from a rationale state of mind . You ssume he acted malicious because you think this is how you would have reacted when watching it. The facts prsented is he was not in a codition to be as rational and coherant tho.

The only people in this situation that look like bafoons are the NHL for letting Wideman and Henderson finish the game out. The Flames could uabe gone down a man and the N.H.l. have other officials in the wings that can fill in in case of a medicail emergency.

And no, regardless of what Jersey Wideman would have worn the conversation here most likely would be the same.

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[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

I think Wideman is remorseful but also angry how much this has carried on.

What gives him the right to be angry for how this is carrying on? Again, that shows a lack of character as Henderson just finished undergoing surgery, may never officiate again, and who knows what long-term quality of life issues he will have. But Wideman wants everyone to just drop this. He's texting his buddy Greg Campbell telling the refs are trying to start something while one of their own is injured...Hey, you know what, no one would be talking about this if he didn't appeal the decision twice.

If we assume, stupidly, that he was telling the truth to the experts (which contradicts himself, but whatever) then he doesn't know what happened. In which case, he very well might have attacked an official - under an altered state of mind. That should drag on. It brings up huge ramifications dealing with concussions and the NHL rules. Hockey players may be dumb, but even Phaneuf would realize what the NHLPA is arguing is extremely messy and was not going to get resolved in a day, or a week, or a month.

If the argument, as presented by the NHLPA, is that Wideman should not be penalized because he attacked an on-ice official while undergoing concussion symptoms, what happens with the next Chris Simon incident?

Let's say Daniel Sedin gets knocked down by Giordano in the corner and hits his head. On his way to the bench he lashes out and clubs Gaudreau in the head with his stick, ending Gaudreau's career. What do you think is appropriate suspension for Daniel? Assuming Daniel is diagnosed with a concussion. Let's even say we believe Daniel.

The NHLPA's stance, as shown by the Wideman case, is that a concussed player can not intentionally or deliberately intend to cause injury. As shown, time and time again by Brendan Shannahan and other members of player safety, intent is a huge a factor in suspensions. If we accept the NHLPA's position, in essence Daniel's attack on Gaudreau would be akin to an accidentally collision with no one at fault. And seeing as concussions are incredibly hard to diagnosis 'accurately' anyone could argue that they had a concussion and were just showing signs at the time of an 'incident.' Have fun with that ####-show of a league.

The NHL has no choice but to take the stance that a player is responsible for his actions regardless of circumstance. Yes, it's a neat philosophical question about whether we can be held responsible for our actions if we're in an altered state of mind, but the NHL can't change their stance here. You do something worthy of suspension, you do the time.

Trying to blame it on the refs and the media, just make you look like a jerk.

Wideman didn't text about the stupid refs untill a day or 2 after untill the circus show started around the situation.

After it was found out that Henderson spent the night in the hospital and was undergoing concussion symptoms himself..this isn't an argument in favour of Wideman.

The only people in this situation that look like bafoons are the NHL for letting Wideman and Henderson finish the game out.

I would say the Flames trainers also look bad. They can say that Wideman said he was fine, but as every doctor in this thread has said, it's quite obvious that Wideman was dealing with a concussion...

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[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

What gives him the right to be angry for how this is carrying on? Again, that shows a lack of character as Henderson just finished undergoing surgery, may never officiate again, and who knows what long-term quality of life issues he will have. But Wideman wants everyone to just drop this. He's texting his buddy Greg Campbell telling the refs are trying to start something while one of their own is injured...Hey, you know what, no one would be talking about this if he didn't appeal the decision twice.

If we assume, stupidly, that he was telling the truth to the experts (which contradicts himself, but whatever) then he doesn't know what happened. In which case, he very well might have attacked an official - under an altered state of mind. That should drag on. It brings up huge ramifications dealing with concussions and the NHL rules. Hockey players may be dumb, but even Phaneuf would realize what the NHLPA is arguing is extremely messy and was not going to get resolved in a day, or a week, or a month.

If the argument, as presented by the NHLPA, is that Wideman should not be penalized because he attacked an on-ice official while undergoing concussion symptoms, what happens with the next Chris Simon incident?

Let's say Daniel Sedin gets knocked down by Giordano in the corner and hits his head. On his way to the bench he lashes out and clubs Gaudreau in the head with his stick, ending Gaudreau's career. What do you think is appropriate suspension for Daniel? Assuming Daniel is diagnosed with a concussion. Let's even say we believe Daniel.

The NHLPA's stance, as shown by the Wideman case, is that a concussed player can not intentionally or deliberately intend to cause injury. As shown, time and time again by Brendan Shannahan and other members of player safety, intent is a huge a factor in suspensions. If we accept the NHLPA's position, in essence Daniel's attack on Gaudreau would be akin to an accidentally collision with no one at fault. And seeing as concussions are incredibly hard to diagnosis 'accurately' anyone could argue that they had a concussion and were just showing signs at the time of an 'incident.' Have fun with that ####-show of a league.

The NHL has no choice but to take the stance that a player is responsible for his actions regardless of circumstance. Yes, it's a neat philosophical question about whether we can be held responsible for our actions if we're in an altered state of mind, but the NHL can't change their stance here. You do something worthy of suspension, you do the time.

Trying to blame it on the refs and the media, just make you look like a jerk.


After it was found out that Henderson spent the night in the hospital and was undergoing concussion symptoms himself..this isn't an argument in favour of Wideman.

I would say the Flames trainers also look bad. They can say that Wideman said he was fine, but as every doctor in this thread has said, it's quite obvious that Wideman was dealing with a concussion...

I think your missing the original arguement of the comment I made.

I was not excusing the actions of what Wideman did . I just said callimg him scum was a step to far.

Your more then welcome to review previous statements where I argued his actions were stupid but did not classify him as scum.

[wired]

Mods please lock this thread, these two are making it unbearable.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

Your opinion is coming from (what I assume) is a person that is of sound ,body and mind. Wideman has been proven not to jave been in this state. Your assumptions come from a rationale state of mind . You ssume he acted malicious because you think this is how you would have reacted when watching it. The facts prsented is he was not in a codition to be as rational and coherant tho.

I'm not calling him scum for the incident. I think it was very likely an accident or an effect of the concussion. I don't fault him for the incident.

He's a ###### for blaming it on the refs and the media. I also don't believe he was honest with the experts.

Originally Posted by combustiblefuel

And no, regardless of what Jersey Wideman would have worn the conversation here most likely would be the same.

And yet if you look at other forums and media, there's far more people vilifying Wideman than those defending him. Unless the forum happens to be for fans of the Flames. I'm sure that's just coincidence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comm..._neck_surgery/

the only problem and the only reason I’m here is ’cause of the stupid refs and stupid media.
-Dennis Wideman

While I thought he was way out of line for the action, it was this comment that made me view him as a AAA sack of ####.

The most upvoted comments about Wideman in the most recent thread on Reddit about him.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

I'm not calling him scum for the incident. I think it was very likely an accident or an effect of the concussion. I don't fault him for the incident.

He's a ###### for blaming it on the refs and the media. I also don't believe he was honest with the experts.



And yet if you look at other forums and media, there's far more people vilifying Wideman than those defending him. Unless the forum happens to be for fans of the Flames. I'm sure that's just coincidence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comm..._neck_surgery/


The most upvoted comments about Wideman in the most recent thread on Reddit about him.

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Originally Posted by Oling_Roachinen

Lol. Athlete breaking official's neck is a pretty big deal.

Wideman is scum, his career should be tainted by this and the story shouldn't go away. Not when Henderson just had to undergo surgery recently.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by wired

Mods please lock this thread, these two are making it unbearable.

I understand where you are coming from but I am not the only poster in the last few pages to disagree with him.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Yes, I believe he is scum. I'm not sure the confusion is combustiblefuel but I've made myself very clear.

I don't blame him the incident.

I blame him for his comments after the incident. I think he's a ###### for what he said, by blaming it on the refs and media. Just like the vast majority of fans of other teams.

[wired]

Yes, but you really could just stop. Why feed the fire? The guy just wants to be seen as a person with a valid opinion (probably WAS valid 3 days ago). Now he is coming off as a pompous fool. IMO mind you.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by wired

Yes, but you really could just stop. Why feed the fire? The guy just wants to be seen as a person with a valid opinion (probably WAS valid 3 days ago). Now he is coming off as a pompous fool. IMO mind you.

You are right. I got my point of view in and I am done now. There is no sense in continuing. His opinion wont be changed it seems . IMO.

[Oling_Roachinen]

My opinion could be changed depending on how the potential lawsuit goes. If he does pretty much the opposite of Bertuzzi, I will respect him again.

But I wait for your guys opinion to change once Wideman is traded.

And guys, seriously it's a thread about Wideman's suspension. If you don't want to rehash Wideman's suspension, maybe try not clicking the link. If you want I'll PM you personally if there's any news update.