How many STAR players do we have?

[erikk3]

Just gaudreau. People saying Bennett sound like oil fans

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Rick M.

The main issue, as you realize, is defining 'star'. It is now a 3rd tier behind generational and superstar.

Sure. By my reckoning, there are maybe 2 generational players, 7-9 superstars, and 25-30 stars in the NHL. So I'd say Gaudreau is the only star players on the Flames.

[DropIt]

Originally Posted by Da_Chief

Agreed. Just Gaudreau and Gio right now. Bennett has the potential to become a popular name. As well as Tkachuk.

Brodie is as good as he will get it and doesn't get the recognition. Monahan will always be the guy who plays with Gaudreau, we disagree with that but that's what other fan bases think.

How do you figure that?


as per OP. Gio and Johnny, they both made consecutive all star games and can be considered league-wide stars

[Da_Chief]

Originally Posted by DropIt

How do you figure that?


as per OP. Gio and Johnny, they both made consecutive all star games and can be considered league-wide stars

He's already a top pair, point producing dman. He's at his peak and will stay there a few years imo. Can't get much better then that. Unless he takes another step and gets to 60+ points. I would be ok if he did that.

[ricardodw]

I was surprised by the comments thus far.

Monahan not a star? If people have trouble identifying him as a star then they must have some worries about his up-coming 6x6.

The league recognizes Monahan as one of the best centres under 24 as per his selection to the world cup team. I am sort of expecting that Gaudreau-Monahan and a converted C are the #1 line on that team.

It is hard to imagine Brodie playing any better than he has the last 2 years. He carried the team to the playoffs with Gio hurt. When he missed the opening games last season the Flames were awful. Recognition will come over time.

I was also surprised that there was no honorable mention or almost a star for a certain recently acquired d-man.

[the2bears]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I was surprised by the comments thus far.

Monahan not a star? If people have trouble identifying him as a star then they must have some worries about his up-coming 6x6.

The league recognizes Monahan as one of the best centres under 24 as per his selection to the world cup team. I am sort of expecting that Gaudreau-Monahan and a converted C are the #1 line on that team.

It is hard to imagine Brodie playing any better than he has the last 2 years. He carried the team to the playoffs with Gio hurt. When he missed the opening games last season the Flames were awful. Recognition will come over time.

I was also surprised that there was no honorable mention or almost a star for a certain recently acquired d-man.

No. You misinterpreted the comments then, greatly. People are talking about the definition of a star, they're not worried about contracts.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Gio and Gaudreau are currently our only two NHL recognizable stars. Right or wrong, they are the only two recognized as such across the league, and of course, things are always subject to change. This team has a few other notable "budding" stars (some closer than others) in Brodie, Monahan, Hamilton and Benett.

[Vinny01]

Gaudreau and Monahan are star players in my opinion. Gaudreau is on the cusp of being a superstar which would have him in the top 10 players in the league discussion.

Giordano is a star Dman he has put together 3 straight strong campaigns and is a legit number 1 D.

Brodie is on the cusp of stardom. I feel he could already be considered a star but I don't think he is appreciated around the league like he is in Calgary and that is why I have him on the cusp. Another stellar year and he will be there.

I think Bennett, Hamilton, and Tkachuk all have star potential. A huge offensive explosion from Dougie while having solid metrics likely gets him there the quickest of the 3. Bennett is a high pick that has shown flashes in his rookie season that he has the makings of a future star but he is at least a couple seasons away. Tkachuk gets a mention from me because he was also a high pick and definitely has the potential to be a star down the road but he is anywhere from 3-5 years away in my opinion.

[Stupid]

I love how these threads always bring out people losing their fecal matter over what the definition of each tier of player is. You'd think people would anticipate it happening, but no.

"You don't think Hanky Clobberdoodle is a generational/superstar/star/regular fart!?! I would love to hear where you think bla bla."

[GGG]

Just Johnny,

I would say star has less to do with talent and more to do with fame. Who are other teams fans willing to pay to see. It that case people are paying to see Gaudreau as he comes through the U.S.

[Par]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Sure. By my reckoning, there are maybe 2 generational players, 7-9 superstars, and 25-30 stars in the NHL. So I'd say Gaudreau is the only star players on the Flames.

Who are they?

generational:

Crosby
McDavid(####)

superstars:In no order

Alexander Ovechkin
Evgeni Malkin
Jonathan Toews
Vladimir Tarasenko
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
Jamie Benn
Carey Price
PK subban
Erik Karlsson

stars:In no order

Joe Thornton
Johnny Gaudreau
Evgeny Kuznetsov
Anze Kopitar
John Tavares
Claude Giroux
Taylor Hall
Patrice Bergeron
Tyler Seguin
Joe Pavelski
Brent Burns
The Sedin Twins
Corey Perry
Blake Wheeler
Dustin Byfuglien
Filip Forsberg
Aleksander Barkov
Mark Giordano
Jack Eichel
Oliver Ekman-Larsson


Who Am I missing? Who should be removed?

Side question, the Oilers have one of the generational talents, how do the Flames deal with that? How will the Flames stop him? It just breaks my heart too see him on that team.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by GGG

Just Johnny,

I would say star has less to do with talent and more to do with fame. Who are other teams fans willing to pay to see. It that case people are paying to see Gaudreau as he comes through the U.S.

They are watching Johnny as he is making outlandishly imaginative skilled moves on a regular basis and he is so small relative to the players he is beating. He provides a highlight package almost every game.

It doesn't matter where he was born or learned to play.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Par

Who are they?

generational:

Crosby
McDavid(####)

superstars:In no order

Alexander Ovechkin
Evgeni Malkin
Jonathan Toews
Vladimir Tarasenko
Patrick Kane
Steven Stamkos
Jamie Benn
Carey Price
PK subban
Erik Karlsson

stars:In no order

Joe Thornton
Johnny Gaudreau
Evgeny Kuznetsov
Anze Kopitar
John Tavares
Claude Giroux
Taylor Hall
Patrice Bergeron
Tyler Seguin
Joe Pavelski
Brent Burns
The Sedin Twins
Corey Perry
Blake Wheeler
Dustin Byfuglien
Filip Forsberg
Aleksander Barkov
Mark Giordano
Jack Eichel
Oliver Ekman-Larsson


Who Am I missing? Who should be removed?

Side question, the Oilers have one of the generational talents, how do the Flames deal with that? How will the Flames stop him? It just breaks my heart too see him on that team.

Really hard making a list --- Missed superstar Doughty and Shea Weber is at least a Star... Tavares would be a superstar.

If Barkov and Eichel are stars then so is Monahan and Scheifele and Ekblad

Subban and Stamkos have been super stars but maybe not now.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Par

...Side question, the Oilers have one of the generational talents, how do the Flames deal with that? How will the Flames stop him? It just breaks my heart too see him on that team.

McDavid is but one player, and even with him in the lineup the Oilers are a terrible team. The Flames will be fine.

[Par]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Really hard making a list --- Missed superstar Doughty and Shea Weber is at least a Star... Tavares would be a superstar.

If Barkov and Eichel are stars then so is Monahan and Scheifele and Ekblad

Subban and Stamkos have been super stars but maybe not now.

Yeah I did miss Doughty and Weber(probably more), for Monahan and Scheifele and Ekblad, I was on fence, Barkov is their because he was mentioned for the Selke Trophy and Eichel has more hype around him and will likely be better than
Monahan, Scheifele and probably Barkov.

[Spinach]

Originally Posted by Par

Who are they?

I'll take a stab at it since my OCD likes lists:

Generational - Crosby, Ovechkin, probably McDavid and Eichel eventually. Jagr deserves consideration, too.

Superstar - Stamkos, Karlsson, Malkin, Doughty, Lundqvist, P. Kane, Thornton, Tavares, Price, Toews, S. Weber, Keith, Quick, Getzlaf.
They deliver impressive totals year in, year out, are explosive & exciting, and are key to their teams' success. I hesitate a bit on Weber & Getzlaf, though due to some blips in their offensive output.

Star (too many to mention) - Benn, Seguin (besides playing for the Stars), Perry, Giroux, Subban, Kopitar, Tarasenko, Hedman, Holtby, Burns, Letang, Pacioretty, Josi, Pavelski, Pietrangelo, Byfuglien, Bergeron... I'm sure I'm forgetting some absolute defensive stalwarts a la Bob Gainey, too.

Rising stars - guys like Johanssen, MacKinnon, Klingberg, Martin Jones, Forsberg, Ekblad, M. Murray, S. Jones...

Then there a bunch of excellent players who don't quite put up the totals or may lack the dynamism of the stars. I'll just put Wayne Simmonds as the poster boy for this category since it's so subjective.

Gaudreau is either a rising star or an established star. I don't much care which. He could even vault into superstar status if he records even better numbers and/or delivers in the playoffs. Gio belongs in the conversation with the star players above.

[bcneil]

Stars???? Go to the all star game roster and count the Flames.

But if you mean super star. Then Gaudreau will be, if he has another couple years in top 10 scoring.

[Huntingwhale]

Superstar
UltraStar
MegaStar
Allstar
Star

[Par]

Originally Posted by Spinach

I'll take a stab at it since my OCD likes lists:

Generational - Crosby, Ovechkin, probably McDavid and Eichel eventually. Jagr deserves consideration, too.

Superstar - Stamkos, Karlsson, Malkin, Doughty, Lundqvist, P. Kane, Thornton, Tavares, Price, Toews, S. Weber, Keith, Quick, Getzlaf.
They deliver impressive totals year in, year out, are explosive & exciting, and are key to their teams' success. I hesitate a bit on Weber & Getzlaf, though due to some blips in their offensive output.

Star (too many to mention) - Benn, Seguin (besides playing for the Stars), Perry, Giroux, Subban, Kopitar, Tarasenko, Hedman, Holtby, Burns, Letang, Pacioretty, Josi, Pavelski, Pietrangelo, Byfuglien, Bergeron... I'm sure I'm forgetting some absolute defensive stalwarts a la Bob Gainey, too.

Rising stars - guys like Johanssen, MacKinnon, Klingberg, Martin Jones, Forsberg, Ekblad, M. Murray, S. Jones...

Then there a bunch of excellent players who don't quite put up the totals or may lack the dynamism of the stars. I'll just put Wayne Simmonds as the poster boy for this category since it's so subjective.

Gaudreau is either a rising star or an established star. I don't much care which. He could even vault into superstar status if he records even better numbers and/or delivers in the playoffs. Gio belongs in the conversation with the star players above.

Jagr, not right now.

[Da_Chief]

Jagr is most definitely still a star. Everyone knows him, he is still playing at a high level, people pay to watch him live.