The New American Politics thread

[comrade]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

But he has proven repeatedly that he clearly does feel that way. The Mulan article, the comment that women who work "stunt their children's growth" because of it? He has clearly proven he doesn't really hold women in a place of high-esteem nor respect their abilities very much.

He has repeatedly worked to limit the rights of women in the name of "pro-life" and "morality."

So if he's so worried about women giving birth, why is he trying to defund Planned Parenthood, often the only option for low income women in need of prenatal care? If he's so worried about women and babies, why is he taking money from the TANF fund that is specifically to help low income women and their children, and giving it to an anti-abortion group? Why is he not pushing for equal pay for women? Why is he not pushing for maternal leave for new mothers?

He isn't voting to help women, he's only voting to limit their rights.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, votes like a duck, well.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think you two are actually having the same argument.

WNN: Mike Pence is a misogynist.

CHL: Being pro-life doesn't necessarily make you a misogynist.

[Izzle]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Is it just me or does the speaker line-up for this weeks convention seem pretty weak? The VP isn't even on the speaker list. In terms of politcos they only have Bernie, Warren, President Clinton, President Obama and Biden. Other big names are Michelle Obama and Chelsea Clinton. Not really a lot to excited about in my opinion.

I disagree. The list is extremely solid. Mind you, after the crapshoot which was the RNC, Michelle Obama alone would have been enough IMO.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Kaine will be speaking Wednesday night, standard spot for the VP. As to the list, well no, it's arguably one of the strongest lists ever. Just look at past conventions for reference. And when you compare it to the Trump kids, Scott Baio, Antonio Sabato Jr, Dana White and a golfer known way more for her looks than her golf, and it's probably the greatest list in the history of humanity.

I'm going off this "schedule" and don't see Kaine.
https://www.demconvention.com/event-categories/july-27/

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

I'm going off this "schedule" and don't see Kaine.
https://www.demconvention.com/event-categories/july-27/

I think Pence was not on the RNC list initially. Kaine has to speak Wednesday, it's when he officially accepts the nomination. If he doesn't speak, that would be really curious.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Yeah it sounds like Kaine isn't on the schedule yet but is expected to be added for Wednesday.

[trumpethead]

Originally Posted by calgarygeologist

Is it just me or does the speaker line-up for this weeks convention seem pretty weak? The VP isn't even on the speaker list. In terms of politcos they only have Bernie, Warren, President Clinton, President Obama and Biden. Other big names are Michelle Obama and Chelsea Clinton. Not really a lot to excited about in my opinion.

So the current POTUS, the First Lady, the current Vice President, former POTUS (and her husband), her daughter, Hillary's biggest rival in the DNC leadership race and one of the most influential female Dem. senators is 'pretty weak'. I would like to hear your list of "pretty strong" speakers.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by trumpethead

So the current POTUS, the First Lady, the current Vice President, former POTUS (and her husband), her daughter, Hillary's biggest rival in the DNC leadership race and one of the most influential female Dem. senators is 'pretty weak'. I would like to hear your list of "pretty strong" speakers.

Possibly in the current political climate of reality stars and one liners some people were hoping for a more entertainer heavy lineup? Lord knows this election has shown most people have no interest in actual policy. Mayhaps Kanye is available.

[Izzle]

[puffnstuff]

Originally Posted by trumpethead

So the current POTUS, the First Lady, the current Vice President, former POTUS (and her husband), her daughter, Hillary's biggest rival in the DNC leadership race and one of the most influential female Dem. senators is 'pretty weak'. I would like to hear your list of "pretty strong" speakers.

No Henry Winkler, no Donny Most. Fail.

[MissTeeks]

But, but, Eva Longoria!

Daniel Dale ‏@ddale825m25 minutes ago

Bernie Sanders is speaking between 8 and 10 PM - not during the prime 10 PM hour, when it's Eva Longoria, Cory Booker, Michelle Obama.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

When's Bloomberg on?

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by MissTeeks

But, but, Eva Longoria!

Daniel Dale ‏@ddale825m25 minutes ago

Bernie Sanders is speaking between 8 and 10 PM - not during the prime 10 PM hour, when it's Eva Longoria, Cory Booker, Michelle Obama.

I think this is being done just in case Bernie pulls a Cruz, right?

[Dogbert]

RNC attendees vs. Bernie protesters - which crowd is more white?

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Dogbert

RNC attendees vs. Bernie protesters - which crowd is more white?

I thought I saw a black guy at the RNC, turns out it was just Darth Vader.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by Drak

It's already been said. I'll say it again. Supreme Court. Universal Health Care. Or not.

Clinton isn't going to introduce universal, single payer health care. And I doubt the Donald will have the political ability to repeal Obama care. And even if he did, it's a half measure anyways. Single payer is the end goal. The Supreme Court issue is valid, and if you want to make real political change you're going to have to risk that.

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

You said if you were American, you would vote for Trump. Everyone has pointed out that despite you being a pretty hard line progressive left winger, you would seemingly prefer the individual most likely to destroy progressive values because you find the other choice to be more corrupt (somehow ignoring Trump's straight up admission of buying politicians). You believe Trump is somehow the bastion of integrity and an enemy of corruption. Lol, child please. At least say you'd rather vote Jill Stein, at least you'd be pretty safe from the onslaught your getting.

You are entitled to believe Hillary would be way worse for your beliefs and cause than Trump would be. But just don't ever say #### about what Trump does if he wins, because you said you would vote for him. Willingly and gladly accept what comes if he wins. If he crushes progressive values, openly cheer it on. It's what your asking for.

If I had to be pinned down I would actually like spoil my ballot or write in Bernie. Further, you're impressive strawman of me talking up Trump is stupid and unwarranted. Child please indeed. I think Trump is a belligerent ape, and I wouldn't support or endorse him tearing down any progressive values laws or regulations. That doesn't mean that I have to hold my nose and support a disgusting political slug like Clinton. Not that I have a vote... so it's all a moot point. Big ups on your grandstanding tho.

[calgarygeologist]

Originally Posted by trumpethead

So the current POTUS, the First Lady, the current Vice President, former POTUS (and her husband), her daughter, Hillary's biggest rival in the DNC leadership race and one of the most influential female Dem. senators is 'pretty weak'. I would like to hear your list of "pretty strong" speakers.

Those are all obvious choices but I expecting to see some people like Albright, Eric Holder, Cuomo, Harry Reid, Diane Feinstein. From the non politician list I expected folks like Cornell William Brooks, Oprah and some of the other A-list celebs that endorsed her.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Clinton isn't going to introduce universal, single payer health care. And I doubt the Donald will have the political ability to repeal Obama care. And even if he did, it's a half measure anyways. Single payer is the end goal. The Supreme Court issue is valid, and if you want to make real political change you're going to have to risk that.



If I had to be pinned down I would actually like spoil my ballot or write in Bernie. Further, you're impressive strawman of me talking up Trump is stupid and unwarranted. Child please indeed. I think Trump is a belligerent ape, and I wouldn't support or endorse him tearing down any progressive values laws or regulations. That doesn't mean that I have to hold my nose and support a disgusting political slug like Clinton. Not that I have a vote... so it's all a moot point. Big ups on your grandstanding tho.

Actually by saying you would hold your nose and vote Trump, as you clearly do right here...

Originally Posted by Resurrection

if i was american i would hold my nose and vote trump. in an election about establishment politics being a hot button issue, this is a really big deal and i hope it sinks clinton and the dnc learns from this.

... you are by default accepting of whatever Trump does. That's how voting works, you don't get to vote for Trump and then piss and moan about what he does. You have to accept what he'll do...with the GOP controlled House and Senate, no less.

In fact the second part of the quote above, "I hope it sinks Clinton and the DNC really learns from this", sounds more petty than Tom. So it sounds more like throwing a fit because your guy lost as opposed to legitimately having a reason to vote Trump. Bernie can't win, so spite vote wins. Really paints Bernie supporters in a very responsible, adult like manner.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

. That's how voting works, you don't get to vote for Trump and then piss and moan about what he does.

Wait, since when? People have been doing this with Obama for eight freakin' years. Also, what if he does different things than you expected? I don't think this is right.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Wait, since when? People have been doing this with Obama for eight freakin' years. Also, what if he does different things than you expected? I don't think this is right.

I think even you know I'm speaking of something different. These are people voting for Trump who will be on him from day 1. Nobody who voted for Obama was against him right away, unlike the BernieorBusters who will vote for Trump. Obama didn't get any anti-Romney or McCain spite votes.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Actually by saying you would hold your nose and vote Trump, as you clearly do right here...



... you are by default accepting of whatever Trump does. That's how voting works, you don't get to vote for Trump and then piss and moan about what he does. You have to accept what he'll do...with the GOP controlled House and Senate, no less.

Ahh, yes and no.

I think if one votes for Trump out of spite because they are angry Bernie lost, then I sort of agree.

But as a generality, no. It is doubtful that any individual actually supports literally everything a candidate or party promotes, so voting for said candidate does not automatically create an endorsement of literally everything said candidate does in office.