The New American Politics thread

[Lanny_McDonald]

@Ressurection

Trump would be disastrous for the United States. Suggesting otherwise displays an incredible ignorance of the roles in government and what the President does. Donald Trump would be responsible for working with foreign leaders to build coalitions and establish trust between their country and ours. Trump is an sociopath and egomaniac who has never worked with anyone to find middle ground. Trump has already said he would not back NATO partners against the Russians. He's also already said how he would treat two of our major trading partners in Mexico and China, and it was all deragatory. How the hell do you think his mindless bluster is going to play acting as the top diplomat for the most powerful nation on earth? How do you think his complete void of understand of the vast majority of countries around this world is going to play? Trump in charge would set the US back 150 years from a foreign policy perspective. Letting a guy like that have access to the nuclear codes is just too terrifying to consider.

The only saving grace is domestically Trump couldn't do much damage as congress controls domestic policy. So the internal workings of the country may stay the same (####ed up but still sort of working) while the diplomatic mission would be an unmitigated disaster and America would be Fast tracked to being banana republic with nuclear missles. Wonderful situation to look forward to. I'm moving to New Zealand.

[ResAlien]

Yup that's the problem with true believers of any ilk, they have a hard time seeing the bigger picture. The single most important issues in this election is the supreme Court justice appointments. Electing Trump and allowing him to appoint three more Scalias to the bench will set the US back at least 80 years in terms of social progress. Roe v Wade? Gone. LGBTQ rights? See ya.

Don't claim to be progressive and then support what would be a conservative coup of the very fabric of the country. The independent guy lost after trying to sneak in through the side door, even he's said how catastrophic a Trump victory would be. But this has turned into Tyler Durden and Project Mayhem as it seems not even the guy who started the movement can now keep control of his neophytes.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by New Era

Donald Trump would be responsible for working with foreign leaders to build coalitions and establish trust between their country and ours.

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[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by zamler

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Read literally the next sentence. It explains pretty clearly.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

Hey, pot meet kettle. I've always found your views on federal liberals, and the NDP in general to be level headed and fair.. lol.

So as far as Trump v Clinton, I'm sorry you've found yourself so afraid Donald. Do I think Trump would be a great president? Probably, at best, we could hope for him to be a mediocre one for 4 years. The alternative is worse, however. To vote for Clinton is to endorse dirty insider politics, where the needs of the middle class and majority of America is ignored and actually subverted. I'm sorry you're so afraid of Donald, you shouldn't be. He's a blustering oaf playing for the masses to get attention. He isn't Adolf Hitler, there's no muslim concentration camps coming, and I doubt he feels the United States needs room to breathe.

A vote for Hillary Clinton is to acknowledge that you know it's coke vs pepsi, and you want to continue in this endless soda debate with no real consequence. Bernie represented actual change, he was anti establishment and wanted to address the needs of the majority, not the ultra wealthy. Trump resonates with that anti establishment crowd as well. He was able to overcome the RNC attempting to shut him down due to his own celebrity, and has succeeded where Bernie couldn't. I don't view supporting Trump as being an anarchist motivated vote; it's anti establishment. Those are two very different things.

To go back to Coke vs Pepsi for a moment, I remember when Obama won the election in 2008 everyone on the right was going crazy that a socialist was elected. Everyone on the left was celebrating that they finally got a guy in power who will do incredible things for social progressives. In the end we got another 8 years of Pepsi. The war on terror ramped up, drone killings skyrocketed, and Obama care is a half measure that left for profit health care intact. Clinton represents 4-8 more years of that kind of government, but also sends a signal to the major parties that they can hand pick whatever corrupt insider they want and people will just go along like lemmings.



This is a huge advantage for the RNC. Republicans always do a better job in elections with fewer voters. They can get their supporters out better than democrats.

And yet, you have come to believe that Trump will....what? I mean holy ####ing delusional Batman, but you have been paying attention to this election right? You know which party would be in total control right? You know, the party that sucks corporate dick 24/7/365? That wants to restrict civil rights for multiple groups? That wants to enrich Halliburton even more? That a professional con man has convinced people he'll be the anti-establishment figure well....Trump is a good con man without question. I also like that now you want Trump and his massive tax cuts for the rich and corporations to win. From your posts, I get the vibe you hate corporations with every fiber of your being. But you didn't get your way, so hey...

You know what really must suck for you? To realize that you are no different than the Tea Party. It might suck and disgust you to hear it, but it's the truth. The same ####. Purity politics or bust. Please don't call anymore picket crossers scabs anymore, those people appear to have more integrity than you do. Don't get what you want, throw a #### fit. I'd actually like for you to pledge to never complain about anything Trump does right now, but I'm guessing once he tries to trample on workers rights you'll be in here pissing and moaning like mad.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by zamler

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What part of that are you missing?

[HotHotHeat]

Assange thinks the next leak of emails will be enough to have her indicted.

"Wikileaks has a very big year head," he said in an interview with ITV's Peston on Sunday.

Mr Assange said Wikileaks has accumulated a large cache of information about the Democratic presidential nominee that could be used to bring an indictment against her.

http://www.itv.com/news/2016-06-12/j...llary-clinton/

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Assange thinks the next leak of emails will be enough to have her indicted.



http://www.itv.com/news/2016-06-12/j...llary-clinton/

So.. Release them then? What is gained by teasing a future release like this, other than attention?

[zamler]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Assange thinks the next leak of emails will be enough to have her indicted./

Hillary will never be indicted no matter what she does.

[Weitz]

Originally Posted by Iowa_Flames_Fan

So.. Release them then? What is gained by teasing a future release like this, other than attention?

Builds the hype.

[troutman]

Originally Posted by HotHotHeat

Assange thinks the next leak of emails will be enough to have her indicted.



http://www.itv.com/news/2016-06-12/j...llary-clinton/

The Dems have hinted too, that only 10% of the dirt they have on Trump has been released so far.

Here comes the mud.

[wittynickname]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

And yet, you have come to believe that Trump will....what? I mean holy ####ing delusional Batman, but you have been paying attention to this election right? You know which party would be in total control right? You know, the party that sucks corporate dick 24/7/365? That wants to restrict civil rights for multiple groups? That wants to enrich Halliburton even more? That a professional con man has convinced people he'll be the anti-establishment figure well....Trump is a good con man without question. I also like that now you want Trump and his massive tax cuts for the rich and corporations to win. From your posts, I get the vibe you hate corporations with every fiber of your being. But you didn't get your way, so hey...

You know what really must suck for you? To realize that you are no different than the Tea Party. It might suck and disgust you to hear it, but it's the truth. The same ####. Purity politics or bust. Please don't call anymore picket crossers scabs anymore, those people appear to have more integrity than you do. Don't get what you want, throw a #### fit. I'd actually like for you to pledge to never complain about anything Trump does right now, but I'm guessing once he tries to trample on workers rights you'll be in here pissing and moaning like mad.

Trump may not be "political elite" but he's surrounding himself with political elites. He's surrounding himself with the same establishment types that got us into this mess. His running mate has spent years trying to dismantle women's right to choose. His running mate spent years trying to allow businesses to discriminate against people based on religious beliefs. His running mate is the exact establishment that people are so busy whining about.

Progress happens in inches, not miles.

The last 8 years brought us the ACA, which is far from perfect, but it's better than what we had. It brought us to a point where you can be openly gay in the military. It brought us to a point where gay people can get married.

We're inching forward. It's not perfect, but it's something. Yes, Hillary presents the establishment and status quo, but the last 8 years have been a slow trajectory upward at least in social terms, which is a good thing. Putting a hateful madman in the White House, with a misogynistic homophobe VP next to him, with what might remain a GOP led House/Senate is absolutely throwing away any progress we've managed. Trump and Pence will put highly conservative judges on the Court, who will then overturn marriage equality, who might overturn Roe v Wade, who would dismantle the ACA rather than expand it, etc.

One side is slow progress forward, the other side is throwing everything off a damn cliff.

I voted Bernie in the election. I would've loved to have seen Bernie as president. But the fact of the matter is that no matter what else happens, Trump and Pence would be an unmitigated disaster for this country, and so you can bet every penny you have that I'm voting Hillary, and every single downticket democrat I can manage, this November.

[HotHotHeat]

FFS... Debbie Wasserman Schultz resigns as head of the DNC only to join the Clinton campaign. Democrats have just stopped trying to appear ethical/transparent all together now.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by Weitz

Builds the hype.

What Hype? If she's a criminal, get that #### out there and indict her.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by wittynickname

Putting a hateful madman in the White House, with a misogynistic homophobe VP next to him, with what might remain a GOP led House/Senate is absolutely throwing away any progress we've managed.

Since when is Mike Pence a misogynist?

I get the homophobe stuff; he probably is that, though let's give some small credit to Trump giving probably the most pro-LGBT statement ever made in a GOP nomination speech.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

What Hype? If she's a criminal, get that #### out there and indict her.

Assange doesn't have anything huge most likely. It's probably more along the lines of what has already come out and he's trying to drive interest. If he had something legitimate, not releasing it well before the convention is right up there in the pantheon of ####### moves because they won't have the time to push a new candidate and it makes a Trump win even more likely.

I can't believe I'm partaking in a discussion involving scenarios where Donald ####ing Trump becomes president. What is this world?

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by New Era

How is this any different from the RNC?

http://www.cleveland.com/rnc-2016/in...n_road_cl.html

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...rash_bags.html

Actual photo of the fence. If this the wall the Republicans are willing to build what does that say about border security??? Oh, the optics of it all!!! Trump claimed he was going to build a 30' high wall and look at the size of it! Mind you, compared to Trump's hands this may look 30' tall to him. Oh, those optics!!

/snark

Some of the stuff that gets dreamed up to generate outrage is just, well, outrageous!

Like I said before, it's one part security and one part keeping Bernies protesters out of sight and mind. The convention is going to be a cluster as it is.

I don't disagree with your reasoning, my point is that many will not see it that way. For right or wrong.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

Like I said before, it's one part security and one part keeping Bernies protesters out of sight and mind. The convention is going to be a cluster as it is.

I don't disagree with your reasoning, my point is that many will not see it that way. For right or wrong.

Naw, it's security. It's happened for the last half dozen conventions.

[Drak]

One things for sure. The DNC convention will be based on a positive moving forward message, regardless of how much of it is BS. Unlike the fear and hate clown show of last week.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Drak

One things for sure. The DNC convention will be based on a positive moving forward message, regardless of how much of it is BS. Unlike the fear and hate clown show of last week.

wouldn't you rather have the fear and clown show than BS?