The New American Politics thread

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How is this email thing a story anyways? The DNC publicly stayed neutral while having their opinions of how awful of a candidate Sanders was. So they mocked him in private conversations? In 20,000 emails the worst they found were some passing conversations about ways to point out sanders flaws? People are acting like there were thousands of emails coordinating a smear campaign or something.

Not to mention, what exactly does the democratic party owe to a man that was unwilling to even join the party until he saw an opportunity to exploit the party for a mainstream presidential bid??? f&$% sanders. The DNC doesn't owe him $%&@. Dude ended up doing well in the primaries. But that's not surprising considering he took the Trump approach and just promised people things that he would never be able to deliver on.


And for the record I think Clinton is crap as well. This election is full of losers. but I am so sick of hearing Sanders and his supporters whine about how they were treated unfairly.

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Originally Posted by dobbles

How is this email thing a story anyways? The DNC publicly stayed neutral while having their opinions of how awful of a candidate Sanders was. So they mocked him in private conversations? In 20,000 emails the worst they found were some passing conversations about ways to point out sanders flaws? People are acting like there were thousands of emails coordinating a smear campaign or something.

Not to mention, what exactly does the democratic party owe to a man that was unwilling to even join the party until he saw an opportunity to exploit the party for a mainstream presidential bid??? f&$% sanders. The DNC doesn't owe him $%&@. Dude ended up doing well in the primaries. But that's not surprising considering he took the Trump approach and just promised people things that he would never be able to deliver on.


And for the record I think Clinton is crap as well. This election is full of losers. but I am so sick of hearing Sanders and his supporters whine about how they were treated unfairly.

So much wrong with this post and I'm stuck on my phone

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

So much wrong with this post and I'm stuck on my phone

I look forward to you getting access to a computer.

Care to share a preview?

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Originally Posted by dobbles

I look forward to you getting access to a computer.

Care to share a preview?

alright, so, i wont go on a huge rant or anything but basically i think you're really downplaying the scandal here, and, piling on to bernie supporters for no good reason.

on its face, it appears that at best the DNC were actively rooting against Bernie and focused the party towards Clinton. They looked for ways to undermine his campaign, and did everything in their power to ensure that super delegates were almost entirely with him, and that gave her an advantage from the start.

at its worst they likely also funneled more campaign funds to him, organized against him, and basically ran a shadow campaign against him. from being in cahoots with left wing media like cnbc, to undermining him at the grassroots levels. its an utter disgrace.

if i was american i would hold my nose and vote trump. in an election about establishment politics being a hot button issue, this is a really big deal and i hope it sinks clinton and the dnc learns from this. let trump sit for 2 years with real power, obstruct what you can, then win the senate and house with huge majorities and deny him a 2nd term.

#### the dnc.

[2Stonedbirds]

LOL

http://nypost.com/2016/07/24/why-oba...-donald-trump/

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Originally Posted by Resurrection

alright, so, i wont go on a huge rant or anything but basically i think you're really downplaying the scandal here, and, piling on to bernie supporters for no good reason.

on its face, it appears that at best the DNC were actively rooting against Bernie and focused the party towards Clinton. They looked for ways to undermine his campaign, and did everything in their power to ensure that super delegates were almost entirely with him, and that gave her an advantage from the start.

at its worst they likely also funneled more campaign funds to him, organized against him, and basically ran a shadow campaign against him. from being in cahoots with left wing media like cnbc, to undermining him at the grassroots levels. its an utter disgrace.

if i was american i would hold my nose and vote trump. in an election about establishment politics being a hot button issue, this is a really big deal and i hope it sinks clinton and the dnc learns from this. let trump sit for 2 years with real power, obstruct what you can, then win the senate and house with huge majorities and deny him a 2nd term.

#### the dnc.

I get what you are saying, but I still just don't get the outrage that the DNC was privately supporting the only candidate running who was actually a Democrat.

Its like the Ginsburg thing a week or two ago. People feigned outrage that she had an opinion on issues and pretended that it somehow made her unqualified to be a judge. Newsflash: we all have opinions yet many people hold positions that require them to be as neutral as possible.

So if the most gross example of lack of neutrality was some staffer emailing another staffer saying, "I think someone should push Bernie on his religion as that would put him in a bind in religious states" then color me unimpressed.

Also, I believe you are really underestimating exactly how wrong Trump is for this country. If he wins, it sets the bar even higher for candidates to act like petulant children that just bully their way to what they want. It further allows candidates to ignore facts and only rely on their feelings. It further reinforces that scaring people wins elections even when you lie through your teeth to make things seem scarier than they are. I get that you are suggesting they play the long game here, which is a valid strategy. I just fear that once that train leaves the station, it ain't coming back.

Also, as a liberal that abandoned the Democratic party about 10 years ago, the party can not afford to stoop to the level of Republicans and just be a party of obstructionists. You can't just be against everything the other side proposes. At some point you have to stand for something. I cut my teeth in politics starting with the 2000 election. I spent the first 6 years being frustrated that the Republicans never played fair and let the Democrats have a fair shake. Then they flipped the house and put Pelosi in charge and the Dems played the same games the Reps did. And while that may not have been anything new to older folks, it was enough to remind me that both parties were empty and I didn't want to be anywhere near them.

I'm off to bed. I look forward to reading others responses.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

LOL

http://nypost.com/2016/07/24/why-oba...-donald-trump/

His reasons are my favourite. Doesn't like same sex marriage and he's mad Barak killed his his good friend Moammar Khadafi. His three to twelve wives (depending on the source) are ok, but no homosexuals

[Iowa_Flames_Fan]

Apparently Michael Bloomberg will speak at the DNC, and will endorse Clinton:
https://politicalwire.com/2016/07/24...#disqus_thread

No surprise that he didn't support Trump, but a little surprising that he would agree to speak at the convention. I'm not sure how much influence that will have, but he has significant street cred among centrist independents.

[2Stonedbirds]

When asked how many wives he has, he exclaims "that's personal."

His wives, his business. But if you're gay? Ohhhh hells no. Hahaha

Gotta be a kick to the dink with a frozen golf shoe for Obama to hear his brother say what a disappointment the last 8 years have been however.

[Vulcan]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

When asked how many wives he has, he exclaims "that's personal."

His wives, his business. But if you're gay? Ohhhh hells no. Hahaha

Gotta be a kick to the dink with a frozen golf shoe for Obama to hear his brother say what a disappointment the last 8 years have been however.

Why would that bother Barack. Except for some of the same genes they have little in common.

[2Stonedbirds]

"We should build bridges, not walls!"

...unless it's the DNC, in which case we will erect a 8' tall fence.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...382433501.html

[2Stonedbirds]

Originally Posted by Vulcan

Why would that bother Barack. Except for some of the same genes they have little in common.

His brother on the cover on the New York post donning a Make America Great Again hat, exclaiming what a drag the last eight years have been? I'm sure Barack is thrilled.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

"We should build bridges, not walls!"

...unless it's the DNC, in which case we will erect a 8' tall fence.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...382433501.html

What is wrong with that...

[2Stonedbirds]

Optics.

[T@T]

Well now, this should spark some conversation.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politi...oll/index.html

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by Resurrection

alright, so, i wont go on a huge rant or anything but basically i think you're really downplaying the scandal here, and, piling on to bernie supporters for no good reason.

on its face, it appears that at best the DNC were actively rooting against Bernie and focused the party towards Clinton. They looked for ways to undermine his campaign, and did everything in their power to ensure that super delegates were almost entirely with him, and that gave her an advantage from the start.

at its worst they likely also funneled more campaign funds to him, organized against him, and basically ran a shadow campaign against him. from being in cahoots with left wing media like cnbc, to undermining him at the grassroots levels. its an utter disgrace.

if i was american i would hold my nose and vote trump. in an election about establishment politics being a hot button issue, this is a really big deal and i hope it sinks clinton and the dnc learns from this. let trump sit for 2 years with real power, obstruct what you can, then win the senate and house with huge majorities and deny him a 2nd term.

#### the dnc.

You lost me right here. I understand being upset about the party playing favorites, but that's how it works. Do things need to change? Yes, obviously. Is it so bad that I would even consider for a second voting for Trump. Hell ####ing no.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by T@T

Well now, this should spark some conversation.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/25/politi...oll/index.html

Nooope. Polls still don't mean #### until October. But we'll still get hours wasted speculating by pundits because the media's gotta talk about something for the next 3 months (reminder....we still have 3 goddamn months to go....).

[T@T]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Nooope. Polls still don't mean #### until October. But we'll still get hours wasted speculating by pundits because the media's gotta talk about something for the next 3 months (reminder....we still have 3 goddamn months to go....).

I agree on the importance of a poll in July but Crazy Trump isn't the pushover most think he is, it either proves how stupid the American people really are or how bad that dingbat Clinton is.

I'm amazed.

[Senator Clay Davis]

There's still an obscene amount of undecided voters right now. Combined that poll is only 83% of the vote. People hate both choices pretty badly right now. The debates actually will probably matter more than usual given the number of undecideds.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

LOL

http://nypost.com/2016/07/24/why-oba...-donald-trump/

I'm sure that an estranged half-brother that lives on a different continent is of no concern to the Obamas or anyone else. Malik comes off as an attention whore looking to find a new angle to use American politics to line his personal pocket. I'm actually surprised anyone would post this as the intention is is obvious. This guy is a burger and fries short of a happy meal.

Originally Posted by 2Stonedbirds

"We should build bridges, not walls!"

...unless it's the DNC, in which case we will erect a 8' tall fence.

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...382433501.html

Huh? Since when is perimeter fencing and creation of secure zones for a high profile event like this out of the norm? And where did you get the 8' tall fence from? The reporter said she is 5'6 and the fence is expected to be taller than her. What made you jump to 8' as the size? I also fail to see the connection between bridges and security fencing? Or is this some whack-a-doodle meme that is floating around where the Republicans will grasp at any straw to create a faux controversy? Seriously, the Democrats are creating enough controversy on their own, and I mean real issues that should concern the electorate, that stupid inane stuff like this doesn't matter.