Munich Mall shooting

[opendoor]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

En.wikipedia.org/wiki/german_autumn

France in the late 70's early 80's was much worse

France's are becoming much, much more deadly though. In the 50 years prior to 2015 there were 123 people killed in terrorist attacks in France (at least based on Wikipedia's list). In the year and a half since the start of 2015 there have been 238 people killed. The Nice attack saw more people killed than every attack from the '70s and '80s combined.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by jschick88

If you can understand German .gif of people speaking with one of the alleged gunman.

@OnlineMagazin Raw footage: Residents speak with the attacker in German. He says he was born in Germany. But probably Islamist.

So wait, the shooter has been identified? And it's only one, not a group? I thought it was supposed to be three guys.

Apparently the death toll is up to seven.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

En.wikipedia.org/wiki/german_autumn

France in the late 70's early 80's was much worse

This is just number of attacks.

The casualty rate is getting way higher.

I'm also not sure what they are qualifying as a "terrorist attack". There aren't hundreds of deadly attacks every year. They must be including things like graffiti.

[Crumpy-Gunt]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It's mostly how it's always been. It's been more heavily reported because it's been happening more often in the "western" world.

It's life.

First off this is horrible and I feel for the victims.

I agree with Pepsi here. I dont know why people piled on him as if he said we need to accept terrorism. I think his point is that terrorist attacks happen daily around the world and its just been happening more in countries we are more connected to here in the western world.

Personally I am amused by people who dont realize that islamic terrorists mostly kill muslims in 3rd world countries and those people have been dealing with this for the better part of a decade and a half now. But of course that doesnt fit the narrative some people want to believe of terrorism being exclusively an islamic phenomenon or an exclusive attack on the western world and its values. There is a lot of terrorism going on in the world and most of it is happening in crappy countries nobody cares about, no hashtags for them and no facebook profile pictures will be changed for them. But as soon as some vile criminal religious extremist takes the life of a western person we all become personally offended.

It just shows people value certain lives more than others. We're more connected with Germany and France than other countries where innocent people die and we turn a blind eye or its not even newsworthy.

[calculoso]

"* incl. failed, foiled & successively executed"

Really? In other words, they've been foiling many fewer attacks than they used to?

[polak]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

First off this is horrible and I feel for the victims.

I agree with Pepsi here. I dont know why people piled on him as if he said we need to accept terrorism. I think his point is that terrorist attacks happen daily around the world and its just been happening more in countries we are more connected to here in the western world.

Personally I am amused by people who dont realize that islamic terrorists mostly kill muslims in 3rd world countries and those people have been dealing with this for the better part of a decade and a half now. But of course that doesnt fit the narrative some people want to believe of terrorism being exclusively an islamic phenomenon or an exclusive attack on the western world and its values. There is a lot of terrorism going on in the world and most of it is happening in crappy countries nobody cares about, no hashtags for them and no facebook profile pictures will be changed for them. But as soon as some vile criminal religious extremist takes the life of a western person we all become personally offended.

It just shows people value certain lives more than others. We're more connected with Germany and France than other countries where innocent people die and we turn a blind eye or its not even newsworthy.

I don't really care if it happens more some where else? Does that make it okay for it to happen here? Were mostly secular and reject religion having any impact on our society.

[Flash Walken]

The invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was just such an amazing idea.

The gift that just keeps on giving.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

Personally I am amused by people who dont realize that islamic terrorists mostly kill muslims in 3rd world countries and those people have been dealing with this for the better part of a decade and a half now. But of course that doesnt fit the narrative some people want to believe of terrorism being exclusively an islamic phenomenon

First of all, it's been going on much longer than that. But how the heck does this somehow "not fit the narrative" that terrorism is exclusively an islamic phenomenon?

I mean, no one really thinks it is "exclusively" Islamic, it's just a phenomenon that, at this moment in history, is mostly perpetrated by Islamists who are motivated by their own interpretation of 1400 year old rules.

But leaving that aside, how would Muslims being the most frequent victims of this behaviour suggest that the behaviour itself isn't related to the perpetrators' backwards view of scriptures?

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Crumpy-Gunt

First off this is horrible and I feel for the victims.

I agree with Pepsi here. I dont know why people piled on him as if he said we need to accept terrorism. I think his point is that terrorist attacks happen daily around the world and its just been happening more in countries we are more connected to here in the western world.

Personally I am amused by people who dont realize that islamic terrorists mostly kill muslims in 3rd world countries and those people have been dealing with this for the better part of a decade and a half now. But of course that doesnt fit the narrative some people want to believe of terrorism being exclusively an islamic phenomenon or an exclusive attack on the western world and its values. There is a lot of terrorism going on in the world and most of it is happening in crappy countries nobody cares about, no hashtags for them and no facebook profile pictures will be changed for them. But as soon as some vile criminal religious extremist takes the life of a western person we all become personally offended.

It just shows people value certain lives more than others. We're more connected with Germany and France than other countries where innocent people die and we turn a blind eye or its not even newsworthy.

If you can't see the difference between terrorist attacks in the middle east and terrorist attacks in the western world then you need glasses.

Any kind of terrorist attack is tragic, but these events are hitting too close to home. These are people with similar culture to us, the same quality of life that we have, and they are under attack. This means it can just as likely happen to us or loved ones. It's getting to the point that we're expecting these attacks to happen on a regular basis. That's a whole new level of scary and there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel right now.

[afc wimbledon]

German shooter appears to be extreme right wing German not Arab. Talking to bystanders about effing Turks.

[polak]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

German shooter appears to be extreme right wing German not Arab. Talking to bystanders about effing Turks.

Yup apparently yelling "#### Foreigners*

[Hackey]

Originally Posted by Bandwagon In Flames

If you can't see the difference between terrorist attacks in the middle east and terrorist attacks in the western world then you need glasses.

Any kind of terrorist attack is tragic, but these events are hitting too close to home. These are people with similar culture to us, the same quality of life that we have, and they are under attack. This means it can just as likely happen to us or loved ones. It's getting to the point that we're expecting these attacks to happen on a regular basis. That's a whole new level of scary and there doesn't seem to be any light at the end of the tunnel right now.

Isn't that a bit of a selfish take on it though? We care more because they are close to hitting home and their culture is closer to ours? Shouldn't we equally care about it happening to anyone anywhere? We're all humans and the biggest issue is people seem to forget that. If western countries didn't go messing around in these other countries a lot of this likely woulnd't even be happening. That's the messed up part.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by polak

Yup apparently yelling "#### Foreigners*

Where is that from?

I see from the Reddit live thread that the death toll is up to 9 and apparently one of the shooters committed suicide.

[T@T]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

German shooter appears to be extreme right wing German not Arab. Talking to bystanders about effing Turks.

A witness in the macdonalds said that shooter was Muslim and hollering allah akbar as he was shooting children.

[flames_fan_down_under]

Originally Posted by T@T

A witness in the macdonalds said that shooter was Muslim and hollering allah akbar as he was shooting children.

Absolutely disgusting and completely unforgivable. This god damn crap needs to stop.

[Bandwagon In Flames]

Originally Posted by Hackey

Isn't that a bit of a selfish take on it though? We care more because they are close to hitting home and their culture is closer to ours? Shouldn't we equally care about it happening to anyone anywhere? We're all humans and the biggest issue is people seem to forget that. If western countries didn't go messing around in these other countries a lot of this likely woulnd't even be happening. That's the messed up part.

You can go ahead and take this ultimate SJW stance if you'd like. In a perfect world there would be no violence, no genocide, no world hunger.

This is not a perfect world, it's the real world. Don't act all high and mighty because I've accepted reality.

Violence is a part of life and the violence has been invited to our doorstep. It's no longer something happening in a far away place I've never been and never intend to go. It's happening to a place I visited a month ago.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Originally Posted by polak

Yup apparently yelling "#### Foreigners*

Originally Posted by T@T

A witness in the macdonalds said that shooter was Muslim and hollering allah akbar as he was shooting children.

Nothing at all has been confirmed, this is just the two versions you get. Left wing Twitter hoping it's a white guy, right wing Twitter hoping it's a Muslim. The majority in the middle finds both sides revolting and pathetic.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by polak

I don't really care if it happens more some where else? Does that make it okay for it to happen here? Were mostly secular and reject religion having any impact on our society.

It's not okay anywhere, which is a point you're apparently missing.

You don't care that it happens somewhere else, you can that it happens in the west, which is the problem.

People just waking up to the huge, violent issue that has been happening for ages because all of a sudden it's on our doorstep are naive. It's part of the problem.

Worrying about it now is way too late. Recognising that it's not just an "it only happens there" problem and working towards a solution is what should be happening.

[polak]

Again, its going to hit harder when it happens to people with the same culture as me, with the same lifestyle as me, with the same upbringing as me, that reject ridiculously backwards views of the world like me.

Its not hard to understand and yes, when it happens in the western world where we reject religion having any say or impact on our lives, its going to be more shocking and infuriating to me that people like me are dying for the #####ing bullsh*t other people believe in.

[calculoso]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It's not okay anywhere, which is a point you're apparently missing.

You don't care that it happens somewhere else, you can that it happens in the west, which is the problem.

The point that you're apparently missing is that if violence/terrorism spreads to places where there previously wasn't violence, this is an even bigger problem.

What am I supposed to do if there is tribal warfare in Africa? ...if there are drug lords in Colombia terrorizing their country? Not feel that a problem is increasing if the drug lords come to my neighborhood?