Well if that's not what you meant, next time don't say it. It's plain as day in your post. I get that you're trying to get a bunch of thanks by making a completely ridiculous statement but don't get butt hurt when you're called out
I read his post as he said he intended it. Not sure where you're getting your interpretation from.
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Well if that's not what you meant, next time don't say it. It's plain as day in your post. I get that you're trying to get a bunch of thanks by making a completely ridiculous statement but don't get butt hurt when you're called out
I too don't understand where this is coming from. He didn't say what you think he said, at all
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I think the problem with this type of issue is the loudest people with the most extreme views make the most noise. I think the majority of people can more or less see the problems or more precisely systemic issues in the USA like poverty, fear, flawed policing practices and under-qualified officers, racial divide, etc. But its the ignorant people who really go into over-drive when something like this happens. While the people who have a pretty good understanding of whats happening just sit silent and kind of shake their heads.
The thing that amuses me is the fact that most people out there arent consciously hateful of any other group. Most people you meet have had good experiences and bad experiences with people of most backgrounds. Most people may make some assumptions about someone based on their appearance but wouldn't necessarily judge someone for their ethnicity.
That leads me to think the media is to fault for a lot of this. Not the bad cops, or the bad people or anything like that. But all of the racial tension. For example numerous white people have been shot by cops on video in the past few years. Its almost never reported. So people then think every time a cop shoots someone, its someone who is black. While unarmed black people are more likely to be shot in the USA by police officers than an unnamed people of other races - I think the way it is run by the media is very much designed for incitement. To anger certain types of people or to cause some sort of divide within the society. They can't be presenting the news in this way by accident.
There are a couple hundred million people in the USA. Crazy things happen every single day. Somehow the news runs a fine comb through all of these events from coast to coast and nit-picks the most juicy ones without getting to the bottom of the issue. Without ever discussing why this is happening or what contributes to these events.
The USA has a policing problem. The cops there have totally different protocol. Sometimes its because they are nervous or scared. That fear is sometimes because they believe a certain person may be armed or perceived as a dangerous person by some other judgement. The USA also has a race issue and has for several hundred years. You couple the two and it makes for the most shameless and ridiculous things to be said by some people about both black people and police officers. Some news CEO is laughing at how well this works. These events arent new black people have been unjustly shot by police in the USA for decades, maybe even centuries... But they (the media) are taking all these shootings the bank now with no interest in reporting on the larger issues of gun control, drugs, poverty, policing etc.
I think its dangerous and negligent on the part of the media. I'm glad they are reporting these events but they are doing so in a very selfish way, for ratings and to generate the most reaction from very ignorant people with a strong sense of racial identity.
It reminds me a lot of the media and their reporting on muslim terrorists only and refusing to abide by the dictionary definition of terrorism, which is basically using violence or intimidation to force someone or a group into doing what you want them to do. The media love that narrative as well. Of course there is a problem with muslim extremists. But they only make up a fraction of terrorist attacks in the US and most other 1st world countries. But rather than brand Dylan Roof and Anders Brevik and people like that as terrorists, the media chooses to brand them as demented mentally challenged murderers, completely removing their violent political agenda from the discussion. Rather than having a special report on extremist beleifs, violence, dialogue, access to weapons etc - they basically fear monger people into thinking all terrorist attacks are done by muslims - and muslim people are to be feared or looked at as suspicious. Successfully preventing the public from ever discussing extremism, hatred, violence as a whole and just leaving people with a fear of muslims and a view of all terrorists as muslim.
Just as this is forcing people to think all cops in the usa are racist trigger happy red necks, or the other side which seems to think all black people in the states are crack selling, gun toting gangsters who are dangerous or deserve to be shot. Neither are true, but it is being fueled by the media and how they have chosen to cover these issues. The wording, the drawing at racial heart strings etc. Basically pinning 2 demographics of idiots against each other.
This is horrible. A man shot 3 times and arrested while caring for an autistic child. He happens to be a black man. But.. The man lived. Do you think this is the most shocking thing to happen in the united states in the past week? Obviously it isnt. But its being reported and pushed down peoples throats - without ever having a serious discussion or report about the more serious systemic problems that lead to events like this.
People feel like they can rely on the media. At the end of the day these are all businesses owned by people with a set of beliefs and values. It is a shame they cant live up to their responsibility and report on things more honestly and point the public towards the sources of these problems and their solutions. They would rather incite hatred and fear-mongering to further divide an already divided nation.
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This really is one of the biggest issues with police officers. They will lie, destroy evidence, leave out details, whatever, to save their own asses and not admit responsiblity. I truly believe its ingrained in their culture. To a point I don't blame them its human nature but at some point you have to do what is right. If you are there to enforce the law then enforce the law fairly across the board. There needs to be constant training to change this behaviour and systems in place where people can do the right thing without facing consequences from their peers. Cops don't speak out for a reason. And then when they do recieve criticism they take it as a personal attack. You should be held accountable and so should everyone you work with. If people suck at their job or screw up they should be held accountable and action should be taken to correct it otherwise you're fired. Police officers seem unable to handle this type of criticism and accept any type of responsibilty. Obviously there are good and bad people at every job but calling out bad cops isn't calling out all cops. The goal is to get better not be reluctant to any type of change because you take it as a personal attack.
I think I understand what you are trying to saying but right here you seem to contradict yourself. You say you're not calling out all cops just bad cops but at the top you are insinuating that all cops lie and destroy evidence and it's ingrained into their culture. So which is it?
Everyone should be accountable for their actions, agreed, but shouldn't everyones actions be judged on its own basis, not on the actions of his or hers peers. I don't judge every doctor based on a crappy experience, or a waitress for that matter. But police don't generally get that benefit.
The thing about the union is that it is pretty much obligated to have your back.
The fact that that explanation was the best excuse the union could come up with only demonstrates how egregious this cop's failures are. Given the argument being made - and thanks to the publicity it is getting - hopefully a grand jury eventually comes down with charges of attempted murder (of the person he claims he was trying to shoot) and aggravated assault (of the person he did shoot), rather than just a charge of attempted murder for the person he shot.
Are we done with the drama queen crap now? One good thing to come from this is it shows why BLM is needed. We have an alleged police officer clearly and completely without reason saying BLM supports both the murder of police and are terrorists simply because people disagreed with him. And this is supposedly a Canadian one, you can only imagine then the mindset of those in the US. It must be atrocious, the kind of mindset that would lead to shooting an unarmed man laying on the ground and then trying to cover it up by saying "I was trying to kill the autistic guy".
I obviously misinterpreted your post, I apologize.
The thing about the union is that it is pretty much obligated to have your back.
The fact that that explanation was the best excuse the union could come up with only demonstrates how egregious this cop's failures are. Given the argument being made - and thanks to the publicity it is getting - hopefully a grand jury eventually comes down with charges of attempted murder (of the person he claims he was trying to shoot) and aggravated assault (of the person he did shoot), rather than just a charge of attempted murder for the person he shot.
They wont do that..sadly.
The trick they use is they over-charge cops when something like this happens. Charging them with the most serious crime that will be the most difficult to prove. Ive lost track of how many times I've seen that. Rather than laying the most logical charges with the highest chance of the cop getting convicted they purposefully go for the most difficult charge to convict the cop.
Nothing new.
However when the typical criminal goes and shoots someone - there will be a ton of deliberation about what is the most logical charge that has the highest chance of sticking - while still carrying a high punishment. They dont do the same for cops for some reason.
This case is a bit unique in that the situation looks calm on tape, the officer shot and hit a man with his hands up and then officially claimed to be shooting at a autistic child with a toy in his hands. There is a chance that the statement made trying to cover up his actions could actually get him in deep trouble because it means he shot at a child with a toy in his hands after being told the situation by the caregiver he eventually shot who was on the ground and posing no threat.
Maybe he can actually get into more trouble for attempting to shoot the child than he can for actually hitting the adult.
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At this point, shooting the autistic guy for being autistic would make more sense than shooting the black guy while attempting to shoot the autistic guy.
I think I understand what you are trying to saying but right here you seem to contradict yourself. You say you're not calling out all cops just bad cops but at the top you are insinuating that all cops lie and destroy evidence and it's ingrained into their culture. So which is it?
Everyone should be accountable for their actions, agreed, but shouldn't everyones actions be judged on its own basis, not on the actions of his or hers peers. I don't judge every doctor based on a crappy experience, or a waitress for that matter. But police don't generally get that benefit.
It makes perfect sense.
Either it really is a few bad apples and then a bunch of other apples helping to shield them in the barrel or its just a regular old barrel that eventually turns all the apples bad.
I think I understand what you are trying to saying but right here you seem to contradict yourself. You say you're not calling out all cops just bad cops but at the top you are insinuating that all cops lie and destroy evidence and it's ingrained into their culture. So which is it?
Everyone should be accountable for their actions, agreed, but shouldn't everyones actions be judged on its own basis, not on the actions of his or hers peers. I don't judge every doctor based on a crappy experience, or a waitress for that matter. But police don't generally get that benefit.
Well clearly there are many incidents of bad policing. They seem to show up every week. These guys are in a category of their own. The guys doing a stand up job and being courteous and reasonable with people never makes the news. They may even be the majority. However when it comes to speaking out I believe there is a culture that keeps all cops quiet. Every time one of these incidents occurs you get the same old story from the police defending the actions of the officer. They protect their own at the expense of justice. Thats the culture I'm talking about. Time and time again you shake your head at the statements and explanations given. Responsibility is rarely taken. Discpline that would act as any type of deterant is rare. Maybe I am painting all cops with one brush but if it wasn't a culture thing I think you'd see a lot more police speaking out against bad cops which seems to never happen. If you see injustice and do nothing about it then maybe you're a bad cop too? I don't honestly believe that but I think the way things are a lot of good cops are kind of forced into that situation or just see it as normal. The training and procedures need to be in place to change that so bad cops are held accountable and their peers are able to honestly police each other because right now I don't think anyone can objectively say they do.
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Rivera asked the public to wait for the investigation to be complete before jumping to conclusions about the officer and the police department, and read a statement that the officer in question sent via text message.
"I took this job to save lives and help people," the text said. "I did what I had to do in a split second to accomplish that and hate to hear others paint me as something I am not."
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Retired US Marshal Matthew Fogg told RT America that that the officer probably fired the shots because he panicked.
“A lot of this situations it seems like officers just overreact,” Fogg said. “It comes down to these instant decisions that officers make when there’s no life-threatening situation at hand.”
“But [Rinaldo] wasn’t even aiming it,” Fogg added, referring to the toy truck he had in his hands.
I think I understand what you are trying to saying but right here you seem to contradict yourself. You say you're not calling out all cops just bad cops but at the top you are insinuating that all cops lie and destroy evidence and it's ingrained into their culture. So which is it?
Everyone should be accountable for their actions, agreed, but shouldn't everyones actions be judged on its own basis, not on the actions of his or hers peers. I don't judge every doctor based on a crappy experience, or a waitress for that matter. But police don't generally get that benefit.
I think the big issue with your original statement is that Police Officers in the US no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to their victims when cops decide to be Judge, Jury and Executioner, so why should it apply to cops?
It's because we've given them the benefit of the doubt for decades that things have escalated to such levels. Now in the digital age we have evidence of what black people have been saying since before MLK. These issues need to be addressed, not swept under the rug.
I think the big issue with your original statement is that Police Officers in the US no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. Innocent until proven guilty doesn't apply to their victims when cops decide to be Judge, Jury and Executioner, so why should it apply to cops?
It's because we've given them the benefit of the doubt for decades that things have escalated to such levels. Now in the digital age we have evidence of what black people have been saying since before MLK. These issues need to be addressed, not swept under the rug.
That truly sad since 99% do deserve the benefit of the doubt. They go out day in and day out and serve the community with pride and integrity, and haven't done anything close to the accusations being rained upon the profession.
That truly sad since 99% do deserve the benefit of the doubt. They go out day in and day out and serve the community with pride and integrity, and haven't done anything close to the accusations being rained upon the profession.
Actually for large areas of the U.S. the police are just an occupying force that lock up 1/3 of the adult men, shoot and kill a hundred or so a month while raising funds by stop and seize laws and the like that essentially prey on the poor who can't afford legal representation. Policing in large areas of the U.S. is little better than the third world morally.
Hiring vast numbers of ex soldiers frankly is a terrible idea as well, I can hardly think of a worse qualification for being a cop than the armed forces.
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That truly sad since 99% do deserve the benefit of the doubt. They go out day in and day out and serve the community with pride and integrity, and haven't done anything close to the accusations being rained upon the profession.
I agree some do, but as afc pointed out, it's nowhere near 99%.
Did you know that "Protect and Serve" is just a catchy motto? The police in the US are in no way obligated to protect their citizens as ruled by the federal court.
Due to the training tactics used by Police acadamys, a good portion of America fears the same police you believe are serving their community.
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It is sad, but if you're in the wrong demographic, 1 in 100 odds of getting shot are not great. Add in the fact that nearly all good cops hide behind the thin blue line when one of their own crosses the line - and those that don't often get harassed and f'ed with themselves - and you have created a situation where nobody in said demographic can afford to trust the cops. That needs to change.
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