I am curious about something; in the event that Trump was just trolling this for kicks and giggles, and bows out at any point prior to the election winner being announced - what happens? Would the Democrats win by default then, or would Trump's VP be the new Republican candidate? I don't know much about the US system, so this is something I have been wondering recently.
Trump is even more unlikeable than Clinton. In fact, Gallop ranks Trump as the all-time most unfavourable rated presidential candidate ever since they started tracking that metric.
That's racist crazy trump. 100 days of this trump and that number moves. Hillary is the second most disliked as well right now. It's two historicly unlikeabke candidates so small improvements may have big swings.
I am curious about something; in the event that Trump was just trolling this for kicks and giggles, and bows out at any point prior to the election winner being announced - what happens? Would the Democrats win by default then, or would Trump's VP be the new Republican candidate? I don't know much about the US system, so this is something I have been wondering recently.
I believe it would be up the RNC to pick a new candidate. I am not sure what rules they have in place for this scenario however.
Hmm. They almost covered the scenario, but not quite the situation where Candidate A is poised to win, and then croaks or steps aside. Surely there is some contingency or does Candidate B just win by default. In the US are you voting for the person or the party?
I am curious about something; in the event that Trump was just trolling this for kicks and giggles, and bows out at any point prior to the election winner being announced - what happens? Would the Democrats win by default then, or would Trump's VP be the new Republican candidate? I don't know much about the US system, so this is something I have been wondering recently.
I believe it would go to the primary electoral votes, in other words..CRUZ!
If someone knocks of Trump we know where to look, wait! maybe not!
Until you've tried to legally immigrate to the U.S., and you actually start to understand just what a ridiculous boondoggle it is, I suggest you just keep that question to yourself.
I could go on and tell you about my difficult experience (which is ridiculously easy compared to many others), but I don't want to derail the thread.
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Then you have to deal with the fact that the current legal path to immigration is nearly impossible and exhaustive. There are lots of people who cannot afford such a path (this was just touched on in another thread, by someone currently going through this exact issue.)
But that would include immigration reform, and that's a non-starter for the current GOP congress.
Is the legal immigration system broken? Yes.
Does that entitle you to immigrate there anyways? That is my question.
And are the citizens of that country just supposed to welcome you with open arms? Probably not.
You guys need to start looking at things from the other perspective.
Does that entitle you to immigrate there anyways? That is my question.
And are the citizens of that country just supposed to welcome you with open arms? Probably not.
You guys need to start looking at things from the other perspective.
The biggest complaint with Trump's rhetoric is that he's fear mongering that illegals are coming to kill your children, when they aren't any more violent than US citizens. Most of them are hard working, and they're in America out of desperation. You know, pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
And just throwing them all out isn't the answer because there aren't enough Americans willing to do the crap jobs, like picking lettuce.
If they're in the country to commit crime, or leech off the system, by all means boot them out. But a mass deportation just doesn't work, and the wall is absurdly wasteful, whether they can get Mexico to pay, or not. There needs to be nuance, which is something Trump can't comprehend.
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Yes on the flipside the point of refugees is that they escaped terrorists. So if you dont allow people from "terrorist countries" come in then youre not helping anyone. He acts as if america is the only one being attacked. The whole country of Syria is gone.
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Does that entitle you to immigrate there anyways? That is my question.
And are the citizens of that country just supposed to welcome you with open arms? Probably not.
You guys need to start looking at things from the other perspective.
The problem though is scale. Its kinda like Pot being illegal. Why not just lock up all the users. I mean its illegal right, we should apply the laws on the books for it.
Illegal immigration is the same. If at the start of this issue you deported everyone and spent millions doing it you might be in a position to say just enforce the law. BUt when you have millions of illegals you can't feasibly deport everyone. Its too expensive, it will be disruptive to your economy, it will overload your court and policing etc. Their children are American citizens.
So deport them all is not a reasonable policy position. The deport them all position sounds great on the surface but isn't a practical solution. That's pretty much why its a dog whistle issue. Saying we're going to follow the law is much easier to sell and people don't need to think to follow it compared to a nuanced approach with pros and cons.
Trumps position as stated Build a wall and deport them all to make crime in America drop is a lie. There is no data to support it, there is no experience to support it. There is no rational argument to support it.
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The biggest complaint with Trump's rhetoric is that he's fear mongering that illegals are coming to kill your children, when they aren't any more violent than US citizens. Most of them are hard working, and they're in America out of desperation. You know, pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
And just throwing them all out isn't the answer because there aren't enough Americans willing to do the crap jobs, like picking lettuce.
If they're in the country to commit crime, or leech off the system, by all means boot them out. But a mass deportation just doesn't work, and the wall is absurdly wasteful, whether they can get Mexico to pay, or not. There needs to be nuance, which is something Trump can't comprehend.
Mass deportation would also be extremely expensive.
OK...im dead set against the whole Trump thing but this is patently untrue.
The drain on states with heavy illegals is very much a problem and something even lots of staunch democrats oppose. The problem may be the procedure of doing it legally but that does not condone doing it illegally.
No question the whole "wall" thing is absurd and over the top, but dont kid yourself, there are many many state level problems with illegals using all kinds of social programs.
I'm sorry sir, but You are misinformed. You're buying into a narrative that has been dreamed up by politicians looking for a scapegoat, and supported by an unquestioning media. You can talk to law enforcement and people who work in social services and they will all tell you the same thing; illegals do not rely on government social programs because they are illegal! And those that have established some roots and semblance of life here work that much harder to remain on the down low and not expose themselves. Illegals have developed their own support networks in communities and rely on those.
The reality in America is that these people that come to this country to work illegally do so with a very specific goal in mind. Make money to send home. Most of these people do menial labor work that Americans think is beneath them. And they do so with great fear of being discovered and deported. These people live in communities where they know they have a lesser chance of being discovered. They blend into the woodwork and they rely on the local community for services that we take for granted. If they get injured or sick they pay through the nose to visit a local doctor or nurse in their community. They will not go to the hospital except in cases of dire emergency, because if they do, they will be discovered as being illegal and be deported. Law enforcement knows this. Social services knows this. Most importantly, the local communities know this and they leverage it for their own gain as well. They protect the illegals because they provide money to the local community that normally isn't there.
On to the BS that they don't contribute to the economy, and are a drain on our economy, that is another false narrative. Many of these illegals are working under false documents that help them get through the e-verify program. They receive pay checks with the required deductions taken out of them. Those pay roll taxes go into the system. But those individuals who have paid into the system will never receive benefit of that entitlement because they would expose themselves as illegal in the application for benefits. They pay into the system, but it never comes out. The real funny part is, many of these illegals are working under the same name and SSN, meaning all of those payments are going into that one particular account. When that account is discovered as being fraudulent it is frozen, preventing any access to it by anyone. That money ends up falling through the cracks and used by the government for purposes other than what the money was originally intended (social services).
There are some illegals that will come up here and try to take advantage of the system. But there are plenty of people here that do the same. These are all a very small minority of the people we are talking about. The vast majority of illegals come here, work hard in jobs that Americans are too proud to do, and do everything in their power to follow the laws of the country. It is their meal ticket, and the meal ticket of their family back in Mexico, Guatemala, Honduras, Panama, etc. They are not going to risk discovery. And if they establish a home here and end up having those nefarious anchor babies, they work that much harder to make sure they don't expose their family to the threat of deportation.
I know, it's much easier to listen to habitual liar like Donald Trump and his ilk, who spin lies to keep you scared and living in fear, than actually listen to those who work in the communities where these people live and know the situation first hand. This is probably very hard for you to believe, and I understand that because of the long exposure to the media narrative the average person has suffered, but let me remind you this wouldn't be the first time that politicians or the media were caught lying to forward an issue or agenda.
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Trump's speech today is much more of what we're used to. Such as spending a good chunk of time defending the National Enquirer as a legitimate news source and deserving of a Pulitzer.
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