The New American Politics thread

[rubecube]

Also, this is hilarious.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-actio...er-ryan-selfie

[GGG]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

This thread has turned into leftist love-in.

That's because a rational person cannot support Trump. Trump is clearly the worst possible outcome. The best hope for trump is that he will be a puppet.

So if you want to stop the love in step up and provide any rational case for trump. Even a case for him being somehow not as bad as Hillary. I'd be interested to hear it.

So far even the republicans haven't tried to praise Trump a sell him as presidential.

[ernie]

Trump has about 6% of the black vote and he is going to stay at that level. There is likely nothing he can do to make that 6% not support him at this point and very little he can do to gain any support. I think the only demographic he is leading on is white male (losing every minority and almost every basic female demographic).

As a white male that makes me ashamed.

The convention itself is pretty much all white and is setting a record for least amount of minority representation among the attendees. I recall reading some articles for a couple months ago that suggested that he would likely need 70-75% of the male white vote to win. Those would be unprecedented numbers.

Even if Trump manages to win (ugh), the fact remains that unless the GOP really starts to reinvent themselves they are a dying party that really does rely upon the ignorance and bigotry of a large portion of the membership. Be it intolerance of of other religions, intolerance of other lifestyles or intolerance of other races.

[DiracSpike]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

This thread has turned into leftist love-in.

I've voted Conservative for most of my young adult life and will probably continue to do so, but I can't find one redeeming feature with these Republican morons, their entire convention and party is a farce.

They need to burn it to the ground and start fresh by somehow getting people in charge who are pro enterprise and business but without all the religious, gun toting, racist tinged BS.

[Drak]

The Republican party has moved to the extreme right. People that support them consider anything slightly to the left of the GOP as leftist.

[icecube]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

This thread has turned into leftist love-in.

There are forums dedicated to the Aryan brotherhood if that is more your thing.

[Puppet Guy]

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by GGG

That's because a rational person cannot support Trump. Trump is clearly the worst possible outcome. The best hope for trump is that he will be a puppet.

So if you want to stop the love in step up and provide any rational case for trump. Even a case for him being somehow not as bad as Hillary. I'd be interested to hear it.

So far even the republicans haven't tried to praise Trump a sell him as presidential.

I don't see any of you pumping Hillarys' tires. Maybe a rational person cannot support either. And you could make a case that Trump would be somehow not as bad as Hillary.

You watch the Republican crowd shout "Lock her up" and then they will go to a commercial and show Hillarys' ad that shows Trump making questionable quotes. The point being that both candidates are so weak both sides best play is to simply point their finger at the other.

This campaign needs more Gary Johnson. I hope he gets into the debates and owns those two clowns. Hell, give this election some Vermin Supreme (boothead). It would be fitting for this election.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by icecube

There are forums dedicated to the Aryan brotherhood if that is more your thing.

And that's where the leftists lose all credibility.

Trump is open to critique. There are supporters who are entirely offensive and racist. That needs to be condemned.

However, Not all Trump supporters are racist. Attempting to smear all into that group only:

A) exhibits the narrow minded prejudice that you are objecting to
B) emboldens the Trump supporters who are there because they hate the status quo and feel entirely dismissed by the current government.

Leftists have all sorts of ammunition to attack Trump. No idea why you'd go beyond the pail and allow Trumpists to turn the debate around because of the absurd generalizations.

[nik-]

A lot of the support Trump gets makes sense to me. It's still not rational, or smart, but I can understand why people are doing it.

[Senator Clay Davis]

He's getting close the same support Mitt Romney and John McCain got. He's the GOP nominee for President, by default that basically locks him into 45% of the vote. Though curiously he's struggled to get past that number in polling. Team politics has ruined rational voting.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by taco.vidal

This thread has turned into leftist love-in.

Is there some redeeming Trump quality we should be paying attention to?

[Drak]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

He's getting close the same support Mitt Romney and John McCain got. He's the GOP nominee for President, by default that basically locks him into 45% of the vote. Though curiously he's struggled to get past that number in polling. Team politics has ruined rational voting.

Hopefully less. I know some republicans that won't vote for Trump.

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

He's getting close the same support Mitt Romney and John McCain got. He's the GOP nominee for President, by default that basically locks him into 45% of the vote. Though curiously he's struggled to get past that number in polling. Team politics has ruined rational voting.

curiously?

[FLAMESRULE]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

However, Not all Trump supporters are racist. .

True. But every Trump supporter accepts racism + bigotry. You simply cannot listen to and like what he says, or what the RNC has as a platform and policy, and not accept the racist elements.

If you don't like the racism inherent to Trump and the party, then there are other parties.

Unfortunately so many people put their gun rights or desire to control other people (abortion, LGBT, etc.) ahead of this.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

And that's where the leftists lose all credibility.

Trump is open to critique. There are supporters who are entirely offensive and racist. That needs to be condemned.

However, Not all Trump supporters are racist. Attempting to smear all into that group only:

A) exhibits the narrow minded prejudice that you are objecting to
B) emboldens the Trump supporters who are there because they hate the status quo and feel entirely dismissed by the current government.

Leftists have all sorts of ammunition to attack Trump. No idea why you'd go beyond the pail and allow Trumpists to turn the debate around because of the absurd generalizations.

If someone supports David Duke for president, can they claim they're not racist

[Drak]

Supporting the party while ignoring the racist part of the platform is pretty questionable.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by FLAMESRULE

True. But every Trump supporter accepts racism + bigotry. You simply cannot listen to and like what he says, or what the RNC has as a platform and policy, and not accept the racist elements.

If you don't like the racism inherent to Trump and the party, then there are other parties.

Unfortunately so many people put their gun rights or desire to control other people (abortion, LGBT, etc.) ahead of this.

No. Absolutely not.

People identify issues which matter the most to them. they discount issues which do not matter to them. They then support the party that is identifying with their issues.

If race isn't an issue in your day to day life (say as a Caucasian male) then you are unlikely to put racial related issues as your priorities. You're more likely to prioritize other items.

It is an error to state or make the assumption that every supporter agrees with every platform position of their candidate.

I suspect there are an awful lot of democrat supporters who think Clinton should be releasing to the parents of the Benghazi victims why security was pulled.

[killer_carlson]

Originally Posted by Street Pharmacist

If someone supports David Duke for president, can they claim they're not racist

depends why they are supporting him. If their only or main reason for supporting Duke was based on race, then they are likely racists.

For what it's worth, David Duke is not someone i'd support because I encourage diversity.

[FLAMESRULE]

Originally Posted by killer_carlson

No. Absolutely not.

People identify issues which matter the most to them. they discount issues which do not matter to them. They then support the party that is identifying with their issues.

If race isn't an issue in your day to day life (say as a Caucasian male) then you are unlikely to put racial related issues as your priorities. You're more likely to prioritize other items.

It is an error to state or make the assumption that every supporter agrees with every platform position of their candidate.

I suspect there are an awful lot of democrat supporters who think Clinton should be releasing to the parents of the Benghazi victims why security was pulled.

Not caring or having race issues of lower importance for you does not absolve one from having to accept the fact that your party/candidate is racist. You have implicitly/explicitly given acceptance to that part of the party by voting for them.

Of course no one agrees with every plank in a party. But I would think that such egregious idiocy, like Trump + RNC platform, automatically eliminates them for any reasonably rational person.