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Old 07-19-2016, 04:08 PM   #161
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So you want them to play chicken with a NATO ally crucial in Black Sea access, with nuclear weapons on their soil and the cap for the champagne bottle that is the refugee crisis?
Your simplistic and hyperbolic nonsense is getting quite tiresome, so this is it for me for this discussion. It's just more and more obvious that you just don't know anything about international politics, and you barely bother to read the answers you get.

I already mentioned the example of George Bush putting pressure on Israel, succesfully. No real difference.

The type of financial trickery I described is something EU does pretty much all the time. At any point in time the EU is "investigating" dozens of breaches in trade contracts that could end in some country no longer being allowed to export some product into EU. Russia used to get that trouble all the time before the EU kinda sorta stopped trading with Russia alltogether. There are probably dozens of cases like that open between China and EU, going both ways, and many of them tied to something completely different. Those investigations in themselves are a big hassle that costs a lot of money for the related companies, even if nothing comes out of them.

This stuff is not "playing chicken", this is everyday life.

Besides, Turkey "playing chicken" with EU would be the equivalent of a toddler playing chicken with it's mother.

EU is Turkey's main trade partner. South of their border is right now a major warzone so it's not going to be a great place for trade any time soon. Erdogan is in very bad terms with Putin. Ukraine's economy is in a terrible shape and largely propped up by EU. (So for example if the EU told Ukraine to stop buying from Turkey...)

In short, the Turkish economy desperately needs EU right now, possibly more than ever.

If EU had hinted a couple of years ago that Erdogan is bad for business (usually this is done in a bit roundabout way), he would have been ousted in elections, "fair and square". As long as the country was a democracy, politicians still rose and fall on the wellfare of their local economy.
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Old 07-19-2016, 04:11 PM   #162
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Levity aside, that was pretty much the only option left on the table and Erdogan essentially dared them the world to take it.

When no one took it he cleared the final hurdle and now has carte blanche.
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Old 07-19-2016, 04:12 PM   #163
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Your simplistic and hyperbolic nonsense is getting quite tiresome, so this is it for me for this discussion. It's just more and more obvious that you just don't know anything about international politics, and you barely bother to read the answers you get.
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Old 07-19-2016, 07:28 PM   #164
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Stop funneling arms and currency to dictators/tyrants who are the momentary lesser of two evils.
Funneling arms? Turkey is a founding member of NATO. When the U.S. sells helicopters to Germany is it 'funneling arms?' This isn't like Egypt. There are thousands of non-Turkish NATO soldiers permanently stationed in Turkey, living with their families. Turkey went from a free and democratic member of NATO in good standing to autocracy in many small steps over more than a decade.

I suspect we'll see a suspension of Turkey's NATO status soon. Which is a catastrophe for NATO and the West. But a bigger catastrophe would have been a civil war in Turkey, which not only bases nuclear missiles, but borders the EU, Russia, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. It would make the Syrian civil war look like a game of pattycakes.
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Old 07-19-2016, 08:02 PM   #165
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Wikileaks dumps 300k emails hacked from Erdogan's AKP party servers. It's going to take a while for journalists to go through for sure. I expect some documents to come to light shortly regarding the whole "coup".

More than likely the Turkish propaganda department will try to call all of these fabricated falsehoods made up by the Gulenists. Though most of these emails appear to be from the Turkish foreign affairs department.
https://www.rt.com/news/352148-wikil...rnment-emails/

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Old 07-19-2016, 08:56 PM   #166
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I'm going slowly down the rabbit hole with these videos, Gad Saad is awesome, Canadian as well.

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Old 07-19-2016, 09:38 PM   #167
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But a bigger catastrophe would have been a civil war in Turkey, which not only bases nuclear missiles, but borders the EU, Russia, Iran, Iraq, and Syria. It would make the Syrian civil war look like a game of pattycakes.
Erdogan has already re-ignited the war on Kurds within Turkey after the Kurdish political wing became one of his strongest political opponents. Now that the political alllies of Kurds are also under threat of violence and the Kurds are already armed and fighting, there's a clear risk that the violence starts to escalate.

Most attempts to become dictators do not bring political stability, and even fewer dictatorships end peacefully.
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Old 07-20-2016, 08:13 AM   #168
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Wikileaks is blocked from Turkey now. All academics/teachers are banned from leaving the country.
https://www.rt.com/news/352211-turke...ess-wikileaks/
https://www.rt.com/news/352218-turke...cs-ban-travel/
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I know you were all joking about that wall but.... #### me I love Canada.
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:20 AM   #170
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Wikileaks is blocked from Turkey now. All academics/teachers are banned from leaving the country.
https://www.rt.com/news/352211-turke...ess-wikileaks/
https://www.rt.com/news/352218-turke...cs-ban-travel/
You get your news from Russia Today?
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You get your news from Russia Today?
You dont?
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:49 AM   #172
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You get your news from Russia Today?
The were the first to report I didn't bother updating the links after others updated.

Here you go
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36843180
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Turkey suspends support of convention on human rights
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...&NewsCatID=338

They have also declared emergency powers to the government as previously announced
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...e=news_central
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Old 07-22-2016, 11:27 AM   #175
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I'm going slowly down the rabbit hole with these videos, Gad Saad is awesome, Canadian as well.

He is good stuff. I like how he focuses on highlighting how absurd political correctness has become.

It's funny though how he asks his facebook followers for technical help when uploading videos and such haha. Old people.

I kind of find it annoying that he's constantly asking for money though
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Turkey suspends support of convention on human rights
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...&NewsCatID=338

They have also declared emergency powers to the government as previously announced
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe...e=news_central
This means executions are about to start.
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Old 08-04-2016, 08:38 AM   #177
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Turkey sliding further and further into Sharia craziness this week. A gay man was beheaded and a pregnant woman was beaten by burqa wearing mob for wearing too revealing clothing/supporting the coup
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36973314
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/pre...&NewsCatID=341

Turkey's purge continues as well with a majority of the science and research council of Turkey being dismissed. You know, you can't have a group of reasonable fact based scientists inside a theocracy now can you? The state intelligence agency has also been overhauled. I'm thinking a Turkish Gestapo.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-tu...KCN10E0XE?il=0

Propaganda is also ramping up with hilarious results, Turkish reporter links GTA IV cheat codes to communications used by coup plotters.
http://www.gamereactor.eu/news/44292...or+coup+codes/

A Calgary man has been detained by the Turkish authorities. The guy is an imam working with the Calgary Corrections Service and was on vacation in Turkey at the time. He is being accused of being a plotter in the failed coup.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgar...rkey-1.3692836
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Well, there goes any chance I'lll visit Turkey.
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Old 08-04-2016, 09:15 AM   #180
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Turkey is accusing a US general now of participating in the coup plot lol. The demands for his arrest were made at the NATO airbase in turkey and accuses US Marines Joint Chiefs of Staff General Dunford of collaborating with "unspecified" evidence.
https://www.turkishminute.com/2016/0...ttempted-coup/

Can we please fly the US nukes out of the base asap and kick Turkey out of NATO?
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