View Poll Results: Pick the best prospect from below
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Mangiapane
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45.74% |
Poirier
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54.26% |
07-16-2016, 02:58 PM
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#21
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Dec 2003
Location: Sunshine Coast
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I voted Mangiapane and than looked at the list I made up before the July camp. I have Mangiapane at 10 and Poirier at 11, so they are close for sure. Mangiapane for me is rising while Poirier is sliding. Never a good thing for a prospect to be sliding down.
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07-16-2016, 02:59 PM
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#22
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All I can get
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Poirier.
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07-16-2016, 04:08 PM
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#23
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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always interesting to see where that other third goes when you do a run off.
1/3 Mangiapane
1/3 Poirier
1/3 others
and the others are clearly Poirier fans
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07-16-2016, 04:21 PM
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#24
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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How is Poitier even close? I feel like he just hasn't met his development curve at all for all the intangibles he supposedly brings. I've yet to see him use his speed. Have yet to see him use that grit he was touted as having either.
Count me as one of the few who just doesn't see NHL caliber player from the guy. I look forward to being proven wrong, but I won't holdy breath either. I have higher hopes for Klimchuk.
I'll say that I wouldn't even have Poitier on my top ten list at all. Maybe even top 15 as of today.
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07-16-2016, 04:48 PM
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#25
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Calgary
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I think Poirier will never amount to much. I'm very surprised that he's being picked this early. Voted for Mangiapane since he's just such an unknown right now, but I do think it's also way too early for him as well in the rankings.
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07-16-2016, 05:34 PM
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#26
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: TEXAS!!
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As a former 1st rounder with serious wheels, it's highly likely Poirier ends up in an NHL role, somewhere and someday.
His foot speed alone gives him a fairly high "floor".
Not so sure about Mangiapane.
And when we're talking about the 8th or 9th best prospect on the list, the question isn't who has the higher ceiling, it's "is this guy ever going to make the show full-time?".
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07-16-2016, 05:40 PM
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Our Jessica Fletcher
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Originally Posted by dammage79
How is Poitier even close? I feel like he just hasn't met his development curve at all for all the intangibles he supposedly brings. I've yet to see him use his speed. Have yet to see him use that grit he was touted as having either.
Count me as one of the few who just doesn't see NHL caliber player from the guy. I look forward to being proven wrong, but I won't holdy breath either. I have higher hopes for Klimchuk.
I'll say that I wouldn't even have Poitier on my top ten list at all. Maybe even top 15 as of today.
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07-16-2016, 06:59 PM
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#28
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Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: The C-spot
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I voted Wotherspoon, but picked Poirier in the runoff. Him and Mange have similar upsides but Poirier has an excellent AHL season under his belt. Mange will shoot up my rankings if he shows well in the pro ranks this year.
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07-16-2016, 07:02 PM
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#29
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Franchise Player
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Still think Poirier has a lot of upside. One bad season shouldn't erase all that he has accomplished so far. I still think he has the potential to be a very good complimentary player that can play in all situations on the ice. His last year of junior he had more short handed goals than power play goals - that's really good, and to me, shows that he was a really well-rounded player in Junior.
Great rookie pro season, and he was looking like a can't miss player. Followed it up with a bit of a stinky season, but it happens with prospects sometimes, and we all know it happens with established players with many years of experience. I won't write him off after just one bad season. Two? If he shows poorly again, we can start feeling disappointment.
I still wouldn't trade Poirier for Shinkaruk. Kid seems to be able to slot into so many lines and become a very good utility player. Hoping he has a bounce-back season and plays with some confidence. In his NHL call-up, you haven't seen Poirier playing 'his' game. Kid is really tenacious and difficult to play against in the AHL, and sometimes goes too far and takes a bad penalty. Complete opposite in the NHL where he just seemed a bit tentative - you could see he was more worried about making a mistake than anything else.
I bet he settles in this season, gets called up, and looks good out there.
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07-17-2016, 08:30 AM
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#30
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Owner
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Calgary
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I really think too many fans assume a bump in the road is the end of the road, which just isn't the way that life works.
Sure guys like Monahan jump in but that's the rarity. Kids get 4-5 years of development time and with that they need to prove they are on a path to an NHL role, and worthy of another contract.
If they don't ... they get moved out as we saw two weeks ago at RFA time.
Poirier had a great draft +1 season. Stepped it up in the Q, then turned heads with the AHL team a year later. His first full AHL season saw him look like an emerging star.
Last year was a step back.
That's all it was. This year will either confirm the prospect is off the rails, or he'll come in and right the ship.
But I can't throw out the last year in the Q and a solid AHL season with a one season blip.
Poll closed ... on to round 9
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07-17-2016, 10:38 AM
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#31
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Join Date: Aug 2003
Location: back in Chilliwack
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe
...Great rookie pro season, and he was looking like a can't miss player. Followed it up with a bit of a stinky season, but it happens with prospects sometimes, and we all know it happens with established players with many years of experience. I won't write him off after just one bad season. Two? If he shows poorly again, we can start feeling disappointment...
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I should like to add that Poirier was certainly not the only young player who struggled in Stockton last year. The team as a whole performed pretty poorly, and I wonder how much of this reflected on Poirier's own level of play.
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07-17-2016, 10:41 AM
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#32
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Franchise Player
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Poirier and Klimchuk are in a put up or shut up year. i was a huge Poirier fan 2 years ago but he's been slipping in my mind. He should have been kicking the door down all year last year and he didn't.
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07-17-2016, 10:48 AM
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#33
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Jul 2014
Location: Northern Crater
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Goodlad
That, or not all of us hold our opinions as absolutes and are willing to be swayed by intelligent discussion and observations from other posters.
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Fair enough. I think I need more games next year to change my opinion. The only thing that might sway me in July would be new observations from someone who has watched these guys extensively last year, or people linking new articles that I haven't read. 95% of this is just conjecture as most people haven't seen watched these kids at all. My basis is no better but I'm not letting somebody else sway me at this point unless they are bringing new information to the table.
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