[Signing] NY Rangers Sign Josh Jooris 1 Year $600,000

[bubbsy]

so we have this year's Byron (with regards to people's reaction)....

Byron > Jooris though

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

That's every 4th liner in the league though, I'm not sure why it's worth singling him out. Jooris and Ferland aren't competing for the same spot but of they were, I choose Ferland because he is more physical, bigger and just as good, or better, than him in every other aspect.

I singled him out as Stajan, Jooris, Bollig, Bouma get singled out for their poor play a lot while Ferland seems to escape a lot of the same criticisms. The bottom line is that they were all bad and they need to be better next season as you can't have your 4th line dragging you down on a nightly basis.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

so we have this year's Byron (with regards to people's reaction)....

Byron > Jooris though

Nope. I didn't want Jooris back (I would like to see Stajan, Bollig, and Bouma gone as well in a perfect world). I thought Byron was a valuable 4th liner and a minor mistake by the GM last season as he was good on the PK which was a disaster last season.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I singled him out as Stajan, Jooris, Bollig, Bouma get singled out for their poor play a lot while Ferland seems to escape a lot of the same criticisms. The bottom line is that they were all bad and they need to be better next season as you can't have your 4th line dragging you down on a nightly basis.

They get singled out more because they were all worse than Ferland and all of them carried a higher cap hit. Ferland wasn't the problem in the bottom 6 last year, comparatively speaking.

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by saillias

Regarding Ferland, here's an article Kent Wilson wrote on him the other day.

http://flamesnation.ca/2016/7/12/don...icheal-ferland

As unlucky as Ferland is, I think it also goes to demonstrate that Ferland will never be that Top 6 forward that some around here wish him to be. The guy just doesn't seem to have the ability to finish with any sort of consistency. He's a scrappier version of Paul Ranheim, Matthew Lombardi, Paul Byron, Blake Comeau...players who always tease you with more promise than they can actually deliver. And that's when he's not being invisible.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Flames have better players in the minors. No big loss.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by New Era

Flames have better players in the minors. No big loss.

I also think its a shot across the bow from Management, Treliving specifically.

"One good season does not entitle you to a contract and a roster spot."

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Locke

I also think its a shot across the bow from Management, Treliving specifically.

"One good season does not entitle you to a contract and a roster spot."

What does Stajan's not being bought out say?

Would like to hear some rationale that Stajan had a better year than Jooris in 2015-16 ...

[Locke]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What does Stajan's not being bought out say?

Would like to hear some rationale that Stajan had a better year than Jooris in 2015-16 ...

You cant just buy out everyone. You know that buying players out has consequences right?

[Dajazz]

We're doomed.

[The Fonz]

Glad to see he got another NHL contract, and glad to see its not with the Flames.
We have better options for our 12th/13th forward spot.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What does Stajan's not being bought out say?

"There is an expansion draft coming and we have to protect X amount of dollars on non-expiring contracts"

Would like to hear some rationale that Stajan had a better year than Jooris in 2015-16 ...

So you introduce the comparable, then refuse to compare it, leaving it up to others? You go first, for Jooris.

[Robbob]

Good for him to sign on elsewhere. He was pretty much a walk on that was a boarder line 4th liner heading into his prime. Not part of the long term picture and opens a roster spot for a player with more upside. I think this is similar to Colborne where perhaps people are upset of the loss of the person rather than a hockey player. Bottom line a team that finishes in the bottom of the league can't keep the all players that got the team to that position if they want to improve.

[heep223]

Originally Posted by Table 5

As unlucky as Ferland is, I think it also goes to demonstrate that Ferland will never be that Top 6 forward that some around here wish him to be. The guy just doesn't seem to have the ability to finish with any sort of consistency. He's a scrappier version of Paul Ranheim, Matthew Lombardi, Paul Byron, Blake Comeau...players who always tease you with more promise than they can actually deliver. And that's when he's not being invisible.

Do not agree in the slightest. I am very high on Ferland and I think he's going to break out this season as a legit middle six player. Time will tell!

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Hopefully that fire is stoked again on a new team. Was a spark plug his first year, but last season was ugly. When he got himself a spot in the lineup and time to play he'd shoot himself in the foot with bad penalty after bad penalty.

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

I'm being fair, he was terrible.

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Rookie season a nice surprise, played well.
Last season, terrible.

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

And with guys like Shinkaruk, Poirier, Jankowski, Tkachuk, and Daniel Pribyl all pushing for spots it makes it easy to cut loose a guy like Jooris.

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

"There is an expansion draft coming and we have to protect X amount of dollars on non-expiring contracts"

So you introduce the comparable, then refuse to compare it, leaving it up to others? You go first, for Jooris.

everything you have said about Jooris is every bit as applicable to Stajan except that Stajan had 1 good year as a Flame 2013-14.

That year the Flames were forced to play Stajan up the line-up and Stajan got 33 pts in 63 games.... trouble was playing him up the line-up he was dominated at even strength -13.

There are no statistical categories that Stajan has an edge on Jooris in 2015-16 and it and stats-wise over the last 2 years Jooris dominates.

The Flames could have bought out Stajan and kept Jooris @ 1M / year and would have more room under the cap.

[MrMastodonFarm]

Great, what does Stajan have to do with Jooris signing in NYC though?

How dare we focus specifically on Josh Jooris, in a thread about him.

[Dan403]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

What does Stajan's not being bought out say?
...

"Your contract is too expensive to buy out."


Its not that complicated.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

everything you have said about Jooris is every bit as applicable to Stajan except that Stajan had 1 good year as a Flame 2013-14.

That year the Flames were forced to play Stajan up the line-up and Stajan got 33 pts in 63 games.... trouble was playing him up the line-up he was dominated at even strength -13.

There are no statistical categories that Stajan has an edge on Jooris in 2015-16 and it and stats-wise over the last 2 years Jooris dominates.

The Flames could have bought out Stajan and kept Jooris @ 1M / year and would have more room under the cap.

The Flames don't want a four year cap penalty just so they can make room for another replacement-level player.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm

Great, what does Stajan have to do with Jooris signing in NYC though?

How dare we focus specifically on Josh Jooris, in a thread about him.

You just asked me a direct question about Stajan.

[Nammer403]

Good luck Josh!