[Signing] Ducks sign Mason Raymond 1yr, 2-way ($675k NHL, $225k AHL)

[Mister Yamoto]

Originally Posted by Toonage

Headlines from the future:
Mason Raymond earned $225,000 playing hockey this past year.

Plus the $1,050,000 earned for not playing hockey for the Flames.

[Hockey Fan #751]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Bizarre move. The Ducks are all about powerforwards, puck possession and cycling. Raymond is like the antithesis of their game. It's hard for me to imagine him lasting the year there.

Yes, the Ducks are all about puck possession. How bizarre a move is it compared to hiring Mr. Anti-Puck-Possession Randy Carlyle to be the head coach then?

At this point I think they're just throwing darts until their window closes.

[FireGilbert]

Of course a player the Flames are still paying signs with a rival. I fully expect Raymond to score a hat trick against Calgary at the Honda Center.

[Itse]

I don't expect Raymond to be anything more than a possible injury replacement.

[Alberta_Beef]

I'm happy for Mason, he seemed like a decent guy who loves the Flames. I wish him the best.

[Finger Cookin]

Didn't I read here on CP that someone heard the being in Stockton and away from his family was tough on Mason last year? Don't see how things will be any better under this deal, as I can't imagine the family will uproot for a one year deal.

Oh well. Hopefully it works out for him.

[sureLoss]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Didn't I read here on CP that someone heard the being in Stockton and away from his family was tough on Mason last year? Don't see how things will be any better under this deal, as I can't imagine the family will uproot for a one year deal.

Oh well. Hopefully it works out for him.

Well the travel time between Anaheim and San Diego is much less than Calgary to Stockton.

If he does get assigned to the AHL much less stress on the family.

[Finger Cookin]

I guess I just assumed his family would stay in the Calgary area, and not relocate to Anaheim or San Diego.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Bizarre move. The Ducks are all about powerforwards, puck possession and cycling. Raymond is like the antithesis of their game. It's hard for me to imagine him lasting the year there.

The Flames are all excited about getting Brouwer to provide size and aggression on the Flames.

The Flames are all about line rushing undersized non-contact forwards.. Brouwer is the antithesis of the Flames game.

You can't win with a full roster of non-contact forwards......

Last year Flames forward > 40 games < 1.0 hit /game 5 ... Raymond would have been 6

Last year Duck's forward > 40 games < 1.0 hit /game 2 ... Hagelin was 1 .. Raymond will make it 2 if he makes the team.

There is no line possibility with the Ducks where Raymond will not have 2 more aggressive players as line mates. On the Flames it was pretty hard not to have Raymond make a soft line even softer.

This gives Raymond as good of a chance for success as he could have hoped for..... in the same manner as the Flames roster-wise were the worse fit for him.

The year where Raymond "earned" his 3x3M deal with the Flames his main linemates were Kadri and Clarkson and Lupul all above the 1 hit/game line.

In 2009-10 where Raymond got 25 goals 53 pts -- linemate was Kesler 76% of the time.

[CroFlames]

$225k is a pretty nice salary for the AHL. Especially since you already have a few million in the bank and are living and working in San Diego.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by sureLoss

Well the travel time between Anaheim and San Diego is much less than Calgary to Stockton.

If he does get assigned to the AHL much less stress on the family.

You could conceivably live in one south OC and play for San Diego. It's not that far.

[bax]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The Flames are all excited about getting Brouwer to provide size and aggression on the Flames.



The Flames are all about line rushing undersized non-contact forwards.. Brouwer is the antithesis of the Flames game.



You can't win with a full roster of non-contact forwards......



Last year Flames forward > 40 games < 1.0 hit /game 5 ... Raymond would have been 6



Last year Duck's forward > 40 games < 1.0 hit /game 2 ... Hagelin was 1 .. Raymond will make it 2 if he makes the team.



There is no line possibility with the Ducks where Raymond will not have 2 more aggressive players as line mates. On the Flames it was pretty hard not to have Raymond make a soft line even softer.



This gives Raymond as good of a chance for success as he could have hoped for..... in the same manner as the Flames roster-wise were the worse fit for him.



The year where Raymond "earned" his 3x3M deal with the Flames his main linemates were Kadri and Clarkson and Lupul all above the 1 hit/game line.



In 2009-10 where Raymond got 25 goals 53 pts -- linemate was Kesler 76% of the time.

Solid post here Ricardo.

I think having a couple of aggressive players on the same line as Raymond will really help him out. Here's hoping he can find some success.

[FBI]

I did the San Diego to Anaheim drive all the time (to watch the Flames lose in the duck pond every time), it's only like an 80-90 min drive..

[shadowlord]

This article is really starting to make me doubt HERO charts:

http://thehockeywriters.com/mason-ra...anaheim-ducks/

"Former Flames coach Bob Hartley never seemed fond of Raymond’s play, even though the numbers would suggest that he was a bright spot on an otherwise hapless even strength team."

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Running down ex-players is very Oilerish.

Best of luck to local boy Mason going forward.

It's Oilerish when you're bullish on the player before the trade and trash him after the trade. Raymond got equal opportunity bashing before and after the trade. One of the worst Flames last year.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by shadowlord

This article is really starting to make me doubt HERO charts:

http://thehockeywriters.com/mason-ra...anaheim-ducks/

"Former Flames coach Bob Hartley never seemed fond of Raymond’s play, even though the numbers would suggest that he was a bright spot on an otherwise hapless even strength team."

LOL, a "reasonable" $3.15m cap hit. The guy's points/cap hit was 1.781. Just awful.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Bizarre move. The Ducks are all about powerforwards, puck possession and cycling. Raymond is like the antithesis of their game. It's hard for me to imagine him lasting the year there.

Maybe Carlyle is actually going to put him a role that might fit him? Something Hartley refused to do here. He can be an effective PK player if given the opportunity.

[Frank MetaMusil]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Maybe Carlyle is actually going to put him a role that might fit him? Something Hartley refused to do here. He can be an effective PK player if given the opportunity.

Haha, ok then. Raymond had to make a weak leafs roster on a PTO. I still contend it was a mistake to sign him in the first place knowing his injury history AND the fact that he was a Leafs castoff. Not Bob's fault he stunk it up in Calgary.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by Frank MetaMusil

Haha, ok then. Raymond had to make a weak leafs roster on a PTO. I still contend it was a mistake to sign him in the first place knowing his injury history AND the fact that he was a Leafs castoff. Not Bob's fault he stunk it up in Calgary.

Bob was shockingly bad at adjusting to his team. Once the luster wore off you could tell he had nothing left to offer and was unwilling to change his tactics.....hence why he is now unemployed. The same is true for guys like Raymond. He is not a 4th line grinder as much as he is not a 1st line scorer. So why expect a guy like that to play that role at 30 years old?

Raymond was always a solid Pk players everywhere he went but was for some reason not fitting here? Instead we have a coach that would rather role out the same guys on special teams units ad-nausea that were among the worst in Flames history.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by Hot_Flatus

Maybe Carlyle is actually going to put him a role that might fit him? Something Hartley refused to do here. He can be an effective PK player if given the opportunity.

He didn't look like an effective NHLer last year, didn't matter where Bob tried him. He couldn't win board battles, he couldn't make plays, he couldn't finish on breakaways. He was fairly useless out there and deserved to be sent down.