11 Dallas police officers shot by sniper at peaceful protest. 5 officers dead.

[Weitz]

Personally I am surprised it took this long for something like this to happen. It's really sad but I did eventually think there would be a violent backlash.

[peter12]

A lot of the last three months in America remind me of the first chapter of "The Turner Diaries." (I read it in graduate school as part of course work)

[Cube Inmate]

These so-called "moderate Muslims" want to be treated with respect, but refuse to do anything to deal with the extremism within their own ranks. If you're not going to be a part of the solution, then you're just as responsible for this violence as the people perpetrating the terrorism. If you want me to respect your culture, then deal with this cancer in your own culture!

...

Now replace "moderate Muslims" above with "responsible gun owners"

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by Drak

Then we have this political idiot



How is this guy allowed to get away with sht like this? Trying to incite more violence and backlash, and he's a politician.

I wonder if he still has that Maserati.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Mccree

Sure it's safe then other travel options but after weekly reports of mass gun killings, I hate to saying it but it changes it for me and my family. As of right now our trip our to Idaho is a no go.

Nice to see paranoia and fear win.

[Mr.Coffee]

Have all suspects been apprehended or stopped or is this still going on?

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Have all suspects been apprehended or stopped or is this still going on?

They blew up the guy they know for sure was one suspect, still working to figure out if there were more people.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

the funny thing is, you can own an AR-15 as a canadian. However, it is a restricted weapon...so my understanding is that the actual application for restricted gun permit is more onerous, but also I don't think you are allowed to take the gun off the gun range...ie, you would need another permit to actually use it hunting...

the gun culture in canada is much, much different... i believe most people are pretty much in favor of gun control, with the exception of hunting rifles etc... everyone i know is pretty much in favor of gun control.

You can own it as long as you have a membership to a gun range and report transporting it. It takes longer to get a restricted license and there is more red tape involved.

You can walk into Cabelas right now and buy one if you have a restricted license.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Azure

Nice to see paranoia and fear win.

Look, he had to get out of the family trip to Idaho some how...

[Azure]

If the US would switch to publicly funded elections, the NRA wouldn't have such a grip on the government, and in turn you would probably get more sensible gun legislation passed.

Right now there are hundreds of members of government both Democrat and Republican that refuse to support gun control legislation because the NRA has a huge influence over their constituency. Sad that money is such a driving force in the political world, but that is the reality the US faces right now.

So lets go ahead and elect Hillary or Trump and we'll continue financing politics with big money for another 8 years.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

These so-called "moderate Muslims" want to be treated with respect, but refuse to do anything to deal with the extremism within their own ranks. If you're not going to be a part of the solution, then you're just as responsible for this violence as the people perpetrating the terrorism. If you want me to respect your culture, then deal with this cancer in your own culture!

...

Now replace "moderate Muslims" above with "responsible gun owners"

I mean... yeah. Go on?

To be fair, this isn't actually right. You should probably remove "just as responsible"; no one is equally responsible as the person or people directly responsible. A self-described moderate Muslim like Reza Aslan who obfuscates problems within Islam is a contributor to a broader problem, but he's certainly not "just as responsible" for jihadist violence as Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi or Syed Farook or Omar Mateen. Nowhere close.

The same is true of responsible gun owners. But by preventing even the conversation about gun regulations - by immediately driving any attempt to address the problem rationally into the ditch - they contribute to that problem. These are different, but related, issues, is all I'm saying.

[edslunch]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

This deranged angry social outcast has shown the way, he knew he wasn't going to get out alive and had no interest in that. Some where there's somebody or somebodies that are watching this on TV, probably in his crappy apartment where he walks up in the morning to a double helping of "Life ain't fair" and "F$$$ the po-olice" and he's thinking, I can do that, and probably better.

I agree with everything you said about guns, but to me the real problem is the notion that mass violence is a valid response to grievances. There's a culture of violence that is particularly prevalent in the U.S., from the actions of their government (when was the last year without US military action), movies, games, to some elements of gun culture. It's a much bigger societal problem beyond just access to guns, though limiting access to guns is a step to limiting the damage and starting to change attitudes.

Smoking wasn't addressed just by making it harder to get cigarettes, it was a complete culture change that made smoking socially unacceptable. Same with guns, the goal has to make weapons undesirable, not just unavailable. If that were to happen, which is doubtful, it's a fifty to hundred year process, but need to start somewhere

[Krovikan]

Originally Posted by Azure

You can own it as long as you have a membership to a gun range and report transporting it. It takes longer to get a restricted license and there is more red tape involved.

You can walk into Cabelas right now and buy one if you have a restricted license.

My friend has a restricted PAL, and what she has described to me to transport the firearm, she needs to contact the RCMP, let them know where she would like to transport it, they will then give her the route she has to follow and the time frame she is allowed to transport it. They may also refuse the request. During transport, there is also special requirements on how she can transport it, ie location in the vehicle, the lock box containing it during transport, ect.

[Flash Walken]

This is arguably the result of the application of the second amendment. Whether you agree with the motivation or not, this is an example of a us citizen taking up arms against what they view as a ln oppressive, tyrannical government.

Targeting police officers, agents of the state, reinforces this point.

This is what the second amendment really looks like. It's not some ####### shooting beer cans, it's the backlash of the hopeless who feel not only justified but compelled to take this kind of action. The Constitution demands it.

[Azure]

Aren't most gun owners in favor of better gun regulation and getting rid of the NRA?

At this point it is a political problem. People are all outraged over what is happening, and rightly so, but who are they supporting politically? Most presidential candidates in the past 20 years have all taken massive political donations from the gun industry, NRA and other political lobbyists that are making sure that gun sales stay up. How do we honestly expect any of those politicians to enact gun control legislation?

If you want change, it won't happen until you either remove the politicians that are bought and paid for, or remove the ability to buy them.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

Look, he had to get out of the family trip to Idaho some how...

Going to Seattle in September and California in November. And I'm far more worried about the TSA's shenanigans at US airports than I am people wanting to blow my head off.

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Krovikan

My friend has a restricted PAL, and what she has described to me to transport the firearm, she needs to contact the RCMP, let them know where she would like to transport it, they will then give her the route she has to follow and the time frame she is allowed to transport it. They may also refuse the request. During transport, there is also special requirements on how she can transport it, ie location in the vehicle, the lock box containing it during transport, ect.

Yup. Obviously breaking those laws and actually being caught are two different things as well. There is nothing stopping me from taking my handgun and going for target practice on my land. Also, people would be surprised what passes off as a restricted weapon and what doesn't.

I think the most important thing about Canadian gun laws are the 8-12 week background check and training requirements. It makes a huge difference.

However, culturally we are a much different country as well. Even the people I know that own a lot of firearms and love to hunt and go skeet shooting are not 'this is my RIGHT' type of people. It is just something they enjoy doing.

[Cube Inmate]

Originally Posted by Azure

Aren't most gun owners in favor of better gun regulation and getting rid of the NRA?

Of course!

"But I'm responsible with my guns...I want you to regulate OTHER people's guns."

[Azure]

Originally Posted by Cube Inmate

Of course!

"But I'm responsible with my guns...I want you to regulate OTHER people's guns."

No I'm serious. Most American gun owners hate the NRA and what it stands for.

Makes you question where they get all their money from however.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Azure

Nice to see paranoia and fear win.

This is an unfair statement to put out there. He is making a choice for his family. With these events happening more frequently, ISIS craziness, etc, I think it can be argued that everybody is responding to the fear and paranoia to varying degrees.