The New American Politics thread

[White Out 403]

Crooked Hillary strikes again. Unreal that this clown beat Sanders.

[Weitz]

I'd vote Trump for the lolz.

[Red]

Don't wanna underplay her careless behaviour, but really, it's just a politician using her private email for work purposes. Is that really a crime?

I think the whole thing is being overblown. I can understand why a president would be impeached for this sort of thing, as it could undermine nations security but I can't imagine a criminal prosecution.
Do we know what the context of these emails was? Highly secret stuff or Hawaiian shirt day type memos?

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by Red

Don't wanna underplay her careless behaviour, but really, it's just a politician using her private email for work purposes. Is that really a crime?

I think the whole thing is being overblown. I can understand why a president would be impeached for this sort of thing, as it could undermine nations security but I can't imagine a criminal prosecution.
Do we know what the context of these emails was? Highly secret stuff or Hawaiian shirt day type memos?

That is the issue here, we do know the context of the emails were, that is why this hole thing blew up and not only was there super top secret items being discussed, by having your own private email server you are exempt from the access to information requests.

[MelBridgeman]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Funny though, but this was what a lot of the anti-war in Iraq supporters said when the American's won the war and f'd the end game. That Saddam should have been left running Iraq because we wouldn't have seen the rise of the extremist groups because he was good at keeping them in check.

Oh gawd if i had a penny for every time someone used that as an excuse to keep Saddam in power. Trump's ability to get a rise out of regressives and have them spinning in their shoes is entertaining. Fighting stupid with stupid. Yet Clinton supported it and now he is flipping the tables.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Red

Don't wanna underplay her careless behaviour, but really, it's just a politician using her private email for work purposes. Is that really a crime?

I think the whole thing is being overblown. I can understand why a president would be impeached for this sort of thing, as it could undermine nations security but I can't imagine a criminal prosecution.
Do we know what the context of these emails was? Highly secret stuff or Hawaiian shirt day type memos?

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016...er-fbi-n604526

CLINTON: "I did not email any classified material to anyone on my email. There is no classified material." News conference, March 2015.

THE FACTS: Actually, the FBI identified at least 113 emails that passed through Clinton's server and contained materials that were classified at the time they were sent, including some that were Top Secret and referred to a highly classified special access program, Comey said.
Most of those emails — 110 of them — were included among 30,000 emails that Clinton returned to the State Department around the time her use of a private email server was discovered. The three others were recovered from a forensic analysis of Clinton's server. "Any reasonable person in Secretary Clinton's position or in the position of those with whom she was corresponding about the matters should have known that an unclassified system was no place for that conversation," Comey said. Clinton and her aides "were extremely careless in their handling of very sensitive, highly classified information," he said.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by Red

Don't wanna underplay her careless behaviour, but really, it's just a politician using her private email for work purposes. Is that really a crime?

I think the whole thing is being overblown. I can understand why a president would be impeached for this sort of thing, as it could undermine nations security but I can't imagine a criminal prosecution.
Do we know what the context of these emails was? Highly secret stuff or Hawaiian shirt day type memos?

Yes it's totally a crime. And yes they know the content of the emails. And no they were not Bill's grocery lists. Seven email chains (multiple emails in each) were top secret and handled inappropriately by Clinton. Hundreds more were classified. Thousands were deleted and suspected to contain secret information. The most concerning part for me is the dozens of times she said very clearly that she did not send or receive unsecured classified emails. She did not have classified relations with that server.

[octothorp]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

Well, if everything this guy's saying is true it makes the Bill Clinton visit two days earlier possibly even fishier. Something seems scandalous and weird here, and it is only getting weirder.

If you're cherry-picking quotes, sure. But if everything that guys says is true, then also consider "Jim probably had a sense that this case was not winnable at trial... I think Jim Comey’s integrity is unquestionable, and he’s uncorruptible... He’s not a scared guy, and he’s not a kowtowing guy. He must have some reason why he thinks that it wasn’t a winnable case." The guy paints Comey as being completely above corruption, even if he might have made a mistake in focusing too much on whether this was a winnable case and not simply on whether there was enough evidence to prosecute. So if Comey is above reproach, then presumably he was telling the truth when he said that this happened without any input or consultation with the DOJ. Which makes the Lynch meeting irrelevant to yesterday's announcement.

I think you can easily argue that Comey should have recommended charges. I also think it's absurd to suggest that some big conspiracy is the only (or even most likely) explanation for Comey not recommending charges.

[peter12]

The fact that Bill sat down with the AG in a private plane for a private conversation two days before the announcement is cause for suspicion. You would have to be completely ignorant not to admit that.

[old-fart]

My personal opinion is that it is obvious Hillary is the worst candidate the Democrats have put forward in a lifetime, possibly ever.

Having said that, Trump is clearly the worst candidate for any party, ever, in the history of the US. I don't think Lyin' Ted would beat Hillary because he is frankly a wackjob as well, but Jeb! probably would be ahead of her, or Rubio, or even Milktoast Kasich.

The rest of the goofs that were running for the Repubs would probably also be losing to her though... it really speaks to what an incredibly weak field of nut jobs the Repubs ran. Not one sure fire winner amongst them, and goofs like Carly, Fatty, Jesus Huckabee and Pyramids mixed in for comedy. That party is running into a ditch...or off a cliff.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by peter12

The fact that Bill sat down with the AG in a private plane for a private conversation two days before the announcement is cause for suspicion. You would have to be completely ignorant not to admit that.

The fact that Bill very publicly sat down with longtime friend who is also the AG for a conversation two days before the announcement should alleviate any concerns or suspicion. You would have to be completely partisan to suspect collusion in such a public display.

Works both ways it just depends which way you lean.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by Red

Don't wanna underplay her careless behaviour, but really, it's just a politician using her private email for work purposes. Is that really a crime?

I think the whole thing is being overblown. I can understand why a president would be impeached for this sort of thing, as it could undermine nations security but I can't imagine a criminal prosecution.
Do we know what the context of these emails was? Highly secret stuff or Hawaiian shirt day type memos?

In the news conference they mentioned the various classifications, but didn't say much on the subject matter.

She had the option to use the .gov email address, which was secured.

Part of the issue which wasn't really addressed in the FBI news conference is the speculation that the biggest reason this email server was set up, was to avoid FOIA (Freedom of Information Act) requests. If that was something that could be proven, it would have shown she was guilty of a crime - I think there were 1-2 emails in the dump that alluded to this, but there wasn't anything that said "AVOID FOIA" or anything like that.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The fact that Bill very publicly sat down with longtime friend who is also the AG for a conversation two days before the announcement should alleviate any concerns or suspicion. You would have to be completely partisan to suspect collusion in such a public display.

Works both ways it just depends which way you lean.

Publicly sat down? They had a private conversation in her private plane! No media was present.

No, it doesn't work like that. If your very close friend has an integral role in a criminal investigation of your wife during a very controversial presidential election, you should stay away for fear that your meeting would raise significant concerns or suspicions regarding the rule of law.

You would have to be completely foolish to have that conversation, and you would have to be a complete fool to not see through the facade of excuses you provided.

[CaramonLS]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

The fact that Bill very publicly sat down with longtime friend who is also the AG for a conversation two days before the announcement should alleviate any concerns or suspicion. You would have to be completely partisan to suspect collusion in such a public display.

Works both ways it just depends which way you lean.

Secret photos taken by a reporter on the tarmac = very public sit down? Come on now.

[ResAlien]

Bill showing up unannounced is bad on him but I fail to see the issue with Lynch.

http://observer.com/2016/07/exclusiv...loretta-lynch/

Seems she was as off guard as anyone else. I meant more publicly as in this day and age assuming there wouldn't be some coverage is silly. Of course it would be caught on camera and the idea that it was some cloak and dagger covert mission to broker a deal for his criminal wife is a good witch hunt but nothing more.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Bill showing up unannounced is bad on him but I fail to see the issue with Lynch.

http://observer.com/2016/07/exclusiv...loretta-lynch/

Seems she was as off guard as anyone else. I meant more publicly as in this day and age assuming there wouldn't be some coverage is silly. Of course it would be caught on camera and the idea that it was some cloak and dagger covert mission to broker a deal for his criminal wife is a good witch hunt but nothing more.

In fact, it seems from this source that it was Bill Clinton who was maneuvering for face time with the attorney general, because his plane had been scheduled to leave before hers arrive

Disgusting.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by old-fart

My personal opinion is that it is obvious Hillary is the worst candidate the Democrats have put forward in a lifetime, possibly ever.

Having said that, Trump is clearly the worst candidate for any party, ever, in the history of the US. I don't think Lyin' Ted would beat Hillary because he is frankly a wackjob as well, but Jeb! probably would be ahead of her, or Rubio, or even Milktoast Kasich.

The rest of the goofs that were running for the Repubs would probably also be losing to her though... it really speaks to what an incredibly weak field of nut jobs the Repubs ran. Not one sure fire winner amongst them, and goofs like Carly, Fatty, Jesus Huckabee and Pyramids mixed in for comedy. That party is running into a ditch...or off a cliff.

yup, you'd think losing to Trump would be a wake up call. We'll see. If the Republicans don't reform they won't win another election for 50 years.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Bill showing up unannounced is bad on him but I fail to see the issue with Lynch.

http://observer.com/2016/07/exclusiv...loretta-lynch/

Seems she was as off guard as anyone else. I meant more publicly as in this day and age assuming there wouldn't be some coverage is silly. Of course it would be caught on camera and the idea that it was some cloak and dagger covert mission to broker a deal for his criminal wife is a good witch hunt but nothing more.

I'm not implicating Lynch in this at all. I am sure she is a good professional.

It is the goddam entitlement of the Clintons. Obviously he TRIED to broker a deal, or influence her in some way.

[nik-]

It really is too bad that Biden isn't running.

I bet he could still declare tomorrow and the DNC would breathe a massive sigh of relief and say "thank god". A lot of voters too.

[peter12]

It would be hilarious if both the DNC and GOP ditched their candidates for the Old Guard. Romney v Biden - the WASPs save the day!