Islam critic in hiding after death-threats; went too far?

[White Doors]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

If it's so assinine then quit saying it. You and Johnny are now making that claim, but nobody else did, as far as I remember.

Multiple Choice Time

Religion did not play a role in WWII.

A)True
B) False

What is your answer?

Keep backtracking!

Here's the question and your answer:

Now I know in the way past, many other religions had their nutbars that would actually want/call for people to die because of their thoughts on said religion.

honestly though....has there been such a call by any "Western" religions against those that oppose them so vehemently?

Truly asking....dont recall any myself.
What do you mean by "way in the past"? We sensible western Christians had a nifty little fight that ended up with 62 million dead folks and my own grandpappy was too old to fight in that one. Is that way in the past?

So you are implying that people died in WW2 becauese: want/call for people to die because of their thoughts on said religion.

So you are either backtracking or you didn't read the question properly.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by blankall

Hitler's regime for instance did a lot of research into european religions that predated christianity, hence the swastica.

Which side are you on here?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Keep backtracking!

Here's the question and your answer:

Now I know in the way past, many other religions had their nutbars that would actually want/call for people to die because of their thoughts on said religion.

honestly though....has there been such a call by any "Western" religions against those that oppose them so vehemently?

Truly asking....dont recall any myself.
What do you mean by "way in the past"? We sensible western Christians had a nifty little fight that ended up with 62 million dead folks and my own grandpappy was too old to fight in that one. Is that way in the past?

So you are implying that people died in WW2 becauese: want/call for people to die because of their thoughts on said religion.

So you are either backtracking or you didn't read the question properly.

I suppose it's possible that I didn't read the question properly. There sure seem to be a lot of confused folks around here so something must have gone awry.

Do you want to rephrase it for me?

Keep in mind of course that right now there is not a "religion" calling for the destruction of another one. I get the impression some people actually believe that.

[White Doors]

No, as long as we agree on that, then there is no debate to be had between us.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Yep I very much would refute that the Holocaust had anything to do with religion. The Jewish people were picked as scapegoats --

And anti-semitism had nothing to do with it? Before Hitler, nobody cared about religion or "they killed Jesus" and that they didn't buy all that business about the son of god? The Jews were just in the wrong place at the wrong time?

Sorry, but I don't buy it.

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Insinuating hordes of Christians went off trying to conquer the world or not be conquered is just silly and without any logic.

I'm not insinuating anything. Hordes of Christians did go off to conquer the world. What is silly or without logic in that statement? Are you saying that the Nazis and Il Duce's crowd were not Christians?

We can argue about why there were doing it, but I think it's pretty well established what religion they were purporting to follow.

[blankall]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Which side are you on here?

Im on the side that says hitler was not motivated by religion. He attacked many fellow christians. His philosophy was purely ethnocentric.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by blankall

Im on the side that says hitler was not motivated by religion. He attacked many fellow christians. His philosophy was purely ethnocentric.

I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work."


Now who do you think said that?

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator. By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work."


Now who do you think said that?

And you are talking about a master manipulater. Can we have the when and the where of this quote please?

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

And you are talking about a master manipulater. Can we have the when and the where of this quote please?

Do you think I made it up?

To tell you the truth I'm not exactly sure where it's from. I've seen it attributed to Mein Kampf and some speech at the Reichstag. I've got a copy of Mein Kampf right here but I don't feel like reading it.

I can tell you though that the very first line in the book says "Today it seems to me providential that Fate should have chosen Braunau on the Inn as my birthplace".

That doesn't sound like a religious person at all, does it?

I really can't believe some people dispute that religion -- any religion -- played a role in that incredible disaster. Of course it did. It was the 1930s for crying out loud. Germany was full of Christian people. Do you really think all this crazy stuff happened and nobody even considered the religious implications?

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Do you think I made it up?

To tell you the truth I'm not exactly sure where it's from. I've seen it attributed to Mein Kampf and some speech at the Reichstag. I've got a copy of Mein Kampf right here but I don't feel like reading it.

I can tell you though that the very first line in the book says "Today it seems to me providential that Fate should have chosen Braunau on the Inn as my birthplace".

That doesn't sound like a religious person at all, does it?

I really can't believe some people dispute that religion -- any religion -- played a role in that incredible disaster. Of course it did. It was the 1930s for crying out loud. Germany was full of Christian people. Do you really think all this crazy stuff happened and nobody even considered the religious implications?

I didn't think you were lying. And I suspected it came from Mein Kampf. But I think you are giving religion a far greater roll than it really had. Hitler was more than willing to use or abuse anything to get what he felt Germany deserved.

Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, and US were full of Christians too and they fought against his Nazi madness. Oh....and 2% of the French population.

[RougeUnderoos]

Originally Posted by HOZ

But I think you are giving religion a far greater roll than it really had.

Maybe.

Originally Posted by HOZ

Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Britain, and US were full of Christians too and they fought against his Nazi madness.

That's true. I'm not blaming Christianity for WWII. Obviously the Nazis were not real Christians, but they did use it to convince people to act like effing lunatics. That's my point-- not that Christianity is bad but that it played a role (a big one IMO) in WWII.

[HOZ]

Originally Posted by RougeUnderoos

Maybe.



That's true. I'm not blaming Christianity for WWII. Obviously the Nazis were not real Christians, but they did use it to convince people to act like effing lunatics. That's my point-- not that Christianity is bad but that it played a role (a big one IMO) in WWII.

Fair enough.

[White Doors]

Oh....and 2% of the French population.

hahahaha