[Signing] Flames sign Brouwer (4 yrs, $4.5mil AAV, NTC)

[PepsiFree]

Can't wait until Johnny and Monny sign their matching 4.5 AAV first line contracts.

[JJolg]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

Dislike these kinds of signings where you overpay for intangibles like size and leadership.

The stats don't lie, he's a mediocre player making good player money. Ridiculous to give a player at this stage in his career a four year deal.

Look at his goal scoring compared to Lucic up north for the past 4 seasons, if you don't pay for size and intangibles what else is there? Stats don't lie? Dennis Wideman put up almost .50 ppg last year and is a season removed from 54 points but we can't move him. There's a lot more to the game of hockey than getting points.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

$4–5 m on the UFA market is nothing even remotely close to "first line money" in today's NHL. This is "middle-six" money.

It's lower-end 2nd line money. He's not that player. It's a bad deal... but at least it's only 4 years. In UFA terms, could be worse.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Tinordi

He's not going to be very effective in year one. If he can't produce on a line with Ovechkin and Backstrom then he won't be the magical missing RW for the Flames either...

It has already been mentioned several times, but the Flames should have no problem continuing their offensive pace from the past two seasons even without the insertion of top-line talent. They have been a top-ten-scoring team in the NHL over that time. In short, Brouwer does not need to produce like a top-line player.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It's lower-end 2nd line money. He's not that player. It's a bad deal... but at least it's only 4 years. In UFA terms, could be worse.

Brouwer has produced in the 20 g/40 pts range for three straight years, which is most definitely solid second line production.

[StrykerSteve]

He's going to have a good season if he's playing with Johnny and Money.

[Resolute 14]

Originally Posted by debil

LOL brutal. old 3rd liner given 1st line money.

There's going to be about 200 players making about $4.3 million or more this year. Or, about one third of the guys pulling regular shifts in the NHL.

It's not a bargain, but it is what a good-not-great UFA costs.

[AltaGuy]

I wouldn't have done it, but he makes our team better next season, no question.

[FlameZilla]

I'm having fun looking through other teams' pre-UFA-frenzy 'wish lists' and seeing how frequently his name popped up.

Detroit: http://www.freep.com/story/sports/nh...ency/86482436/

Troy Brouwer

Snapshot: He's 6-feet-3 and 213 pounds and has scored in the 20-goal range seven seasons running. Stood out in the playoffs for St. Louis with a gritty performance, plus 13 points in 20 games. Can play in all situations, go up and down lines, will go into corners and will fight. Has played 532 of 540 games in the last seven seasons.

Price point: If Brouwer, who turns 31 in August, can be had in $4.5-million range annually, it might be worth giving him five years. He's physical and, boy, do the Wings badly need a guy who shows up in the playoffs.

Vancouver: http://vancouversun.com/sports/hocke...e-troy-brouwer

In the past seven seasons, Brouwer, who turns 31 in August, hasn’t scored fewer than 17 goals. Three times Brouwer has topped 20 goals in a season, and that includes a career-high of 25 as part of a high-octane Washington offence in 2013-14. His most productive season, however, was the lockout-shortened 2012-13 when Brouwer potted 19 goals in just 47 games – which put him on a 33-goal pace over a full regular season.

I've seen it mentioned in several places that he was expected to sign for $4.5m AAV and 4 or 5 years term. He's been signed for fair market value.

[gargamel]

I'm a fan of Treliving 364 days a year, but am I the only one who thinks Feaster was better on July 1? I've yet to see Treliving make a signing as good as Hudler or Wideman.

[JiriHrdina]

Wideman wasn't a good signing. He delivered on the value of his contract for only 1 season of the entire deal.

[FlameZilla]

Originally Posted by gargamel

I'm a fan of Treliving 364 days a year, but am I the only one who thinks Feaster was better on July 1? I've yet to see Treliving make a signing as good as Hudler or Wideman.

I don't get the impression Trelving likes July 1st very much either.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

There's going to be about 200 players making about $4.3 million or more this year. Or, about one third of the guys pulling regular shifts in the NHL.

It's not a bargain, but it is what a good-not-great UFA costs.

This. 4.5 is maybe the 3rd fwd on the top line or a second liner money. Which is exactly what this guy is.

[Cleveland Steam Whistle]

Originally Posted by gargamel

I'm a fan of Treliving 364 days a year, but am I the only one who thinks Feaster was better on July 1? I've yet to see Treliving make a signing as good as Hudler or Wideman.

Oh yah, loved the press conferences to tell us how we were second place on all the top end talent that ended up signing elsewhere.

[Erick Estrada]

It's a bad deal on a day where every deal is a degree of bad. Not as bad as the 6 & 7 year deals given out today but still a major overpayment. I suppose Brouwer being a RHS will be good for the first few years of the deal and a very expensive depth player on the back half.

[trackercowe]

Yeah and the attempted Brad Richards deal would have paid off in spades as well!

[gargamel]

Originally Posted by Cleveland Steam Whistle

Oh yah, loved the press conferences to tell us how we were second place on all the top end talent that ended up signing elsewhere.

I'm not arguing there. Treliving is better at literally every other part of the job (with the possible exception of drafting, but the jury is still out on that). I just haven't been a big fan of our moves on July 1st the past 3 years, especially when it seems like he's nickel and dimeing our own guys.

[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's a bad deal on a day where every deal is a degree of bad. Not as bad as the 6 & 7 year deals given out today but still a major overpayment. I suppose Brouwer being a RHS will be good for the first few years of the deal and a very expensive depth player on the back half.

Not all players decline by age 33. I could see him being a 40 point player for the entirety of his contract just as easily as him turning into a 4th liner.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by robaur

http://flamesnation.ca/2016/7/1/why-...for-the-flames

Well Flames Nation just put Brouwer on blast.

This article is the poster child for why you don't evaluate a player based on a hero chart. Absolutely brutal.

Brouwer is a warrior and stands up for his team-mates. I have never seen a chart quantify or demonstrate qualities like that before.

Also, all of these HERO charts keep showing him as having 4th line scoring. What's with that? He has averaged 20 G per year for the last 7 years. Only 51 players have more goals than him over that period. And Lucic was NOT one of them.

But 7 years is a long time. Let's look at the last 5 to bring more players into the conversation.

In the last 5 years, 45 players have more goals than Brouwer. 45. Taylor Hall has 9 more goals over that period.

A few of the names behind him: Hudler, Cammalleri, Oshie, Okposo, Perron and Lucic.

And many, many others.

I couldn't give a rat's ass what the advanced stats say about him. Because watching him play, I see a guy I want on my team.

Calling him a 4th liner is moronic. And the stats simply don't capture what he is.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Not all players decline by age 33. I could see him being a 40 point player for the entirety of his contract just as easily as him turning into a 4th liner.

All players to a degree start declining over 30. Brouwer's ceiling is pretty low so is going to be noticeable when his game slides but as you say he could maintain a level of play. That said he's overpaid already for what he is as he's not ideally a $4.5 million player.