07-01-2016, 10:54 AM
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#261
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In the Sin Bin
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Originally Posted by Ashasx
Like I said, it's one tool of many.
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There are many tools at play today, I agree.
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07-01-2016, 10:54 AM
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#262
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
Complete Top Pairing Defenseman VS Depth Shutdown Defenseman.
It's right there in the chart. Not sure why you would bother comparing two players wiht such different roles.
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Who determines the role? A person or an algorithm?
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07-01-2016, 10:54 AM
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#263
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Calgary
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We got Brouwer, Johnson and Elliott for the same cost +400k as what the Flames paid their disasterous goaltending last year, and I didn't even add Ortios pricetag.
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07-01-2016, 10:54 AM
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#264
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Franchise Player
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Those HERO charts turned stupid the day someone here posted the one with Justin Schutlz and it showed him being a top 4 guy. They're garbage and yet they get trotted out like the gospel every 2nd post.
As for Brouwer I think it's a fair deal. It's quite obvious who here hasn't watched him play all that much and simply pulled up hockeydb to comment on him. He's exactly what we needed for our young forwards. Not the sexiest name out there. But since when did sexy win you the cup?
Solid deal and I really like the term.
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07-01-2016, 10:54 AM
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#265
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Crash and Bang Winger
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: Kamloops
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We definitely need a poll on this signing. Ive never seen such conflicting points of view.
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07-01-2016, 10:54 AM
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#266
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Resident Videologist
Join Date: Mar 2002
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
What is the point? The Chart tells you the role. If the roles aren't comparable you don't look further down. If the roles are comparable (Which Brouwer 2016 vs Glencross 2015 are) then you look further down.
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That the charts aren't useful when comparing non-comparable players.
People are using them to do just that. Thus bad.
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07-01-2016, 10:54 AM
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#267
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Who determines the role? A person or an algorithm?
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The coach determines the role.
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Originally Posted by AC
That the charts aren't useful when comparing non-comparable players.
People are using them to do just that. Thus bad.
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But Glencross / Brouwer are comparable...
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07-01-2016, 10:55 AM
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#268
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by Resolute 14
There are many tools at play today, I agree.
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yes
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07-01-2016, 10:55 AM
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#269
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Scoring Winger
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I'm happy with this. The term takes him to 34 which is fine, he should still be a solid contributor at that point. 4.5 AAV for a .5 ppg, gritty two way forward with leadership seems about right in today's landscape.
Not to mention, if he plays on the top line for any significant time I could see him putting up 50-60 pts.
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07-01-2016, 10:56 AM
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#270
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Lifetime Suspension
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Originally Posted by GranteedEV
What is the point? The Chart tells you the role. If the roles aren't comparable you don't look further down. If the roles are comparable (Which Brouwer 2016 vs Glencross 2015 are) then you look further down.
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Those two role aren't comparable. Glencross was a healthy scratch for the Flames towards the end, as he was for the Capitals in the playoffs. Maybe Curtis' role should be changed to "bit player".
Flawed chart.
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07-01-2016, 10:56 AM
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#271
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Self-Retired
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Exactly the contract I thought he'd get and I don't mind it.
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07-01-2016, 10:57 AM
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#272
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Lifetime Suspension
Join Date: Sep 2013
Location: YYC
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Who determines the role? A person or an algorithm?
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You do
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07-01-2016, 10:58 AM
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#273
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Franchise Player
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Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Those two role aren't comparable. Glencross was a healthy scratch for the Flames towards the end, as he was for the Capitals in the playoffs. Maybe Curtis' role should be changed to "bit player".
Flawed chart.
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Both Glencross and Brouwer played very similar minutes in their most recent seasons. This isn't somebody going through and abstractly designating players as 2nd, 3rd, 4th liners, etc.
Last edited by Ashasx; 07-01-2016 at 11:01 AM.
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07-01-2016, 10:59 AM
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#274
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First Line Centre
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: TEXAS!!
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Impact player money, for a guy who I do not feel is an impact player.
There were far better deals deals signed by what I consider better and more useful players today.
Not a fan of this. Smells like the Engelland contract, where the club overpaid for a guy because they've got their heart set on acquiring one specific player in mind and are willing to win a bidding war to get him.
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07-01-2016, 10:59 AM
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#275
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jun 2011
Location: Austria, NOT Australia
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I've only just skimmed the numbers, but for example, Brouwer delivers about twice as many hits as Glencross did. So no, not totally comparable ...
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07-01-2016, 10:59 AM
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#276
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrMastodonFarm
Who determines the role? A person or an algorithm?
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Likely the Stone Cutters.
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07-01-2016, 11:00 AM
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#277
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Calgary, AB
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Couple of things overlooked with Brouwer that don't show up in points, or on his hero charts.
Averaged 1:30 on the PK per game - for a team that had the 3rd ranked PK in the NHL.
Started only 40% of his shifts in the offensive zone, and his line played a lot of the heavy defensive minutes in St.Louis.
Still think it's a year too long, and about $1M too much, but that is the UFA tax. Not a huge fan but he fills a lot of holes on this team (PK, RW, Physical)
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07-01-2016, 11:01 AM
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#278
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Lifetime Suspension
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Brouwer's play will win anyone over.
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07-01-2016, 11:01 AM
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#279
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Red Deer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by GranteedEV
The coach determines the role.
But Glencross / Brouwer are comparable...
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I really don't think they are. Consider style and role alone. Not to mention that Glencross was notorious for checking out mentally for stretches of games. The majority of his points came in the 40% of the season he gave a ####. Once put on a contender in Washington he was lost because that kind of effort and attitude will not put you into big game situations.
Brouwer is the antithesis of a Glencross. 100% for all 82+, plays a physical and aggressive style, gets the hard-nosed goals that you need to win a game 7 against a team like the Blackhawks, and can be put anywhere in the lineup.
I just don't believe there is any real comparison to be made there, sorry.
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07-01-2016, 11:01 AM
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#280
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Powerplay Quarterback
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Upstate NY
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Similar AAV as Frolik and the same contract end date.
I think the contract makes sense.
Also, Brouwer will be 34 when this contact ends, which prevents his next contract from being a 35+ contract.
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