Florida Congressman sends dirty email to teens

[Daradon]

nm you guys are fast

[JohnnyFlame]

Daradon:

Methinks you haven't been around for very long. Do you actually think politicians do anything more than pander to their base. Ahh duh that's what gets them elected. Hey and if the base decides that should change one of those attitudes then guess what -- Presto that is just what they will do.

I mean otherwise when a good piece of legislation came up everybody would be on board but it's not about that -- it's a game to see if you can win.

Dems were into the war there for awhile -- then the body count went up and polls changed and hey presto so did they. Reps will do the same as well.

You must think politicians are ideologues -- they are far from it!!!

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Daradon:

Methinks you haven't been around for very long. Do you actually think politicians do anything more than pander to their base. Ahh duh that's what gets them elected. Hey and if the base decides that should change one of those attitudes then guess what -- Presto that is just what they will do.

I mean otherwise when a good piece of legislation came up everybody would be on board but it's not about that -- it's a game to see if you can win.

Dems were into the war there for awhile -- then the body count went up and polls changed and hey presto so did they. Reps will do the same as well.

You must think politicians are ideologues -- they are far from it!!!

Ahhh the quote from the one who has given up.

I agree that is the majority, I agree it is hard to fnd otherwise.

However I would argue, that there are those with vision, like leaders we saw 60 years ago, but they are getting squeezed out.

That is why people like I am are here. To cry out for that last hope.

You want to be doom and gloom, go ahead, 99 out of 100 of you.

I'll change the world thanks.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

Um...again...you were talking about voting bases.

and I am NOT with the party.

But I'll play your game....

DEMOS, as you call them, have practiced polarization of the country by proclaiming EVERYTHING the present administration has done to be BAD. That is the ultimate form of polarization....ie "You can't support this policy because it comes from THIS administration".

In the last 12 years you cannot argue that the repubs have taken the 'moral high road' in their actions, that they havent' even REdefined the lingo. They have recreated language and made slurs.

Going back... I WAS talking about voting biases. Republican voters will vote along the lines moreso than Democrat voters because democrat voters look for change (within their own definition) while republican voters look for stablity.

Add to the fact that 20% of the U.S. believes Jesus is going to come back in a blinding flash of light the day after next and you've got a very uneducated, uniformed REPUBLICAN BIASED electorate.

I am digging up the O'Reilley quotes for you. The fun part is, even if he didn't say it yesterday, I can wait for him to say it tomorrow.

[FlamingLonghorn]

Originally Posted by Displaced Flames fan

For the record, I doubt like hell O'Reilly made any comparison to the Clinton-Lewinsky thing. You might want to retract that statement or find proof.

I don't know about O' Reilly but good ole Hannity did...

[JohnnyFlame]

LOL well I hope you are loaded with cash cause you won't be changing anything soon without a WHOLE lot of it. Very noble of you and if I were you I'd spend my time not worrying about policy whatsoever. As long as it is controlled by big money and parties it will remain the same and not worth bothering with.

Work for them all to run as independents and the largest donation to be $10 from anybody or anything and you will have a start.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

LOL well I hope you are loaded with cash cause you won't be changing anything soon without a WHOLE lot of it. Very noble of you and if I were you I'd spend my time not worrying about policy whatsoever. As long as it is controlled by big money and parties it will remain the same and not worth bothering with.

Work for them all to run as independents and the largest donation to be $10 from anybody or anything and you will have a start.

You are right, I'll give up...

it's half a centimetre lower, but... see sig

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Daradon

In the last 12 years you cannot argue that the repubs have taken the 'moral high road' in their actions, that they havent' even REdefined the lingo. They have recreated language and made slurs.

Going back... I WAS talking about voting biases. Republican voters will vote along the lines moreso than Democrat voters because democrat voters look for change (within their own definition) while republican voters look for stablity.

Add to the fact that 20% of the U.S. believes Jesus is going to come back in a blinding flash of light the day after next and you've got a very uneducated, uniformed REPUBLICAN BIASED electorate.

I am digging up the O'Reilley quotes for you. The fun part is, even if he didn't say it yesterday, I can wait for him to say it tomorrow.

You are quite funny. First you blab about someone making slurs then you do your Christians are all ######s slur. Does ya hate them Jews, Muslims and ******s as well?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

You are quite funny. First you blab about someone making slurs then you do your Christians are all ######s slur. Does ya hate them Jews, Muslims and ******s as well?

No, I am merely questioning the knowledge of those who think their god is coming tomorrow relieving themof responsiblity of a planet and a HUMAN race that really needs their help. One that is easily capable if they reliased the human race.

I love the bible, qur'an, torah (talmud), and many other predating texts I would doubt you know of. Their stories are colorful, loving and all very inclusive.

I question the belief of excluding others within religious lines. I question religious hatred, I question religious wars, which have happened and continue to happen in ALL monothesistic religions.

I have friends christian, muslim and jew. All of their gods are divine.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Daradon

No, I am merely questioning the knowledge of those who think their god is coming tomorrow relieving themof responsiblity of a planet and a HUMAN race that really needs their help. One that is easily capable if they reliased the human race.

I love the bible, qur'an, torah (talmud), and many other predating texts I would doubt you know of. Their stories are colorful, loving and all very inclusive.

I question the belief of excluding others within religious lines. I question religious hatred, I question religious wars, which have happened and continue to happen in ALL monothesistic religions.

I have friends christian, muslim and jew. All of their gods are divine.

Well I question those who deride the beliefs of others and call them STUPID for having them whilst giving it the preachy "I'm so tolerant and they aren't line". Sounds like you preach the usual tolerance blather than if you actually believe something you are ######ed.

Personally I believe eveyone is entitled to their beliefs and that a person's intelligence is NOT measured by those beliefs. And if people want to exclude others because they believe differently then good for them. It's their privelege and if you don't like their club then hey don't join it. As for calling them stupid for their beliefs that is just illogical.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Well I question those who deride the beliefs of others and call them STUPID for having them whilst giving it the preachy "I'm so tolerant and they aren't line". Sounds like you preach the usual tolerance blather than if you actually believe something you are ######ed.

Personally I believe eveyone is entitled to their beliefs and that a person's intelligence is NOT measured by those beliefs. And if people want to exclude others because they believe differently then good for them. It's their privelege and if you don't like their club then hey don't join it. As for calling them stupid for their beliefs that is just illogical.

Unfortunately this the real world, and a person is judged (often fairly) by the reality of their beliefs.

One can believe 1+1 equals 4 but I'll call them out on it.

One can believe Jesus is coming back tomorrow, but I'll them out on it.

Not only are they judged, but they shape the world.

Imperialism, fascism, and religious intolrance has killed far too many people.

You rail against me for causing a standard, but the only standard I am asking is for fundamentalists (muslim AND chirstian) to look at the other side.

Maybe their savoir IS coming. All I ask is they don't screw the world up in the mean time.

I'm just asking for freedom , no lobbying on the side of old stories.

Not complicated.

[JohnnyFlame]

Originally Posted by Daradon

Unfortunately this the real world, and a person is judged (often fairly) by the reality of their beliefs.

One can believe 1+1 equals 4 but I'll call them out on it.

One can believe Jesus is coming back tomorrow, but I'll them out on it.

Not only are they judged, but they shape the world.

Imperialism, fascism, and religious intolrance has killed far too many people.

You rail against me for causing a standard, but the only standard I am asking is for fundamentalists (muslim AND chirstian) to look at the other side.

Maybe their savoir IS coming. All I ask is they don't screw the world up in the mean time.

I'm just asking for freedom , no lobbying on the side of old stories.

Not complicated.

Hilarious stuff. You are calling for freedom of what. Cowtowing to your worldview? You will call them on it and guess what they will call you right stinkin back. So ya figure we should just go over and tell them Muslims they are all idiots or just the fundamentalist ones --heck of a lot of them.

So what should we do with them --the freakin idiots that they are --Can we shoot them all in the head or we should we give them a chance to refute their god first?

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

Hilarious stuff. You are calling for freedom of what. Cowtowing to your worldview? You will call them on it and guess what they will call you right stinkin back. So ya figure we should just go over and tell them Muslims they are all idiots or just the fundamentalist ones --heck of a lot of them.

So what should we do with them --the freakin idiots that they are --Can we shoot them all in the head or we should we give them a chance to refute their god first?

I never advocated violence, in fact, that was the message. Groups like this should not BE violent.

I never told muslims they are idiots, nor did I tell christians they were. I was implying fundamentalists may not be all there, and they are on both sides. They need to wake up.

I am not questioning their beliefs, I am questioning their practices. I am saying we should live in a society where freedom is paramount. They use their rules to encroach on others freedom.

They can believe what they want, but neither side should be free to change anybodies life. Espeically the peaceful middle ground.

And I do not use violent or even subversive means to make point. Just words. If that annoys you, then you are truly missing the point.

[JohnnyFlame]

Nope not annoyed atoll. But they if they ain't allowed to encroach on you then you ain't allowed to encroach on them.
So by your own argument you ain't free to change their minds.

Sorry but that is what having a belief/opinion/policy is all about -- you try and change the other guys mind. And I would back their right to voice their ideas and to try and change other people's minds.

Now when they try to bomb ya to change your mind I'd say whack them back and then some. But if your own ideals can't handle hearing somebody else's then they aren't worth having anyway. Plus of course we should have the right to change our mind on anything we feel like.

Nope I don't see you as the voice of tolerance whatsoever. You just want everybody who dosen't see it your way to shut up. No thanks. No great men have ever thought like that -- they believed what they believed and were willing to die for it or kill for it for that matter.

[Daradon]

Lol many great leaders stood up for values, but if you don't agree read your history books. You could look up some Churchill speechs for a very small start. Agreed, many villians went the other way but I that is my thesis.

No one has tried to bomb me. Strangely enough, the largest peace protests proio to the Iraq war came from NY city and London.

NY got it the worst, but they were the most willing to forgive. Meanwhile the south, who really only got their pride broken, ask for war.

Contridicition? Probably.

I'm not trying to convince you, only the people reading this labouring exchange.

Bombs don't heal. I notice you use a lot of 'retribution' words and phrases. If that is the way you understand your world I'm sorry.

'whack' 'bomb' go ahead. I wont.

I yes I will try to change others minds through logic and words. That is not evil, untolarant, un-american (or canadian). It is in fact a great example of great minds and tolerance.

Like I said, I do not question beliefs, just practices. I support your beliefs in fact. I believe you are not causing hatred OR blowing things up.

But for the sides that do (BOTH SIDES) I reserve my right to utter anger and disgust.

That is my duty as a tolerant human being.

[White Doors]

Look, our very own Ghandi.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by White Doors

Look, our very own Ghandi.

Thank you for the compliment.

[JohnnyFlame]

LOL Churchill bombed people there Daradon. Sometimes like at Dresden just to givem a little extra.

"I'm not trying to convince you, only the people reading this labouring exchange."

Yep and others will try and convince us as well and I'm going to let them. You there MR. False Tolerance aren't willing to.

[Daradon]

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlame

LOL Churchill bombed people there Daradon. Sometimes like at Dresden just to givem a little extra.

"I'm not trying to convince you, only the people reading this labouring exchange."

Yep and others will try and convince us as well and I'm going to let them. You there MR. False Tolerance aren't willing to.

aren't willing to?

I am confused

aren't willing to what?

Who and what are you talking about?

[JohnnyFlame]

I would agree you are confused. You are trying to change people's opinions but call those who try to change yours IDIOTS.

Now there is a kind of tolerance I recoginze from history.