[Trade] Oilers trade Taylor Hall to NJ for Adam Larsson. 1 For 1.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by 868904

The rumour back in the day was that Tte Bruins wanted Regher for Joe Thornton and Darryl said no.

Yeah - think it was rumored as Kobasew, Regehr, and one other piece as a similar package to the Sturm, Primeau, Stuart package they ended up getting.

Would have been amazing for the Flames - although a little tough to fit both Thornton and Iginla's contracts in when the cap was only $40M or so at the time.

Still this Hall trade as the potential to be just as bad as that Stuart trade.

[cavalera403]

The big question that I do not see being asked right now is who is going to take over the role of jumping into the players bench to avoid a minus instead of back checking now that Hall is gone?

I assume the natural transition for this would be for Eberle to take up this leadership aspect.

[flamesforcup]

Originally Posted by 868904

The rumour back in the day was that Tte Bruins wanted Regher for Joe Thornton and Darryl said no.

imagine prime thornton with prime iggy.....
#### u darryl

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

You're the one that said:

"Make no mistake, the Oilers got better today".

They clearly did not.

They lost a significant portion of their offense in a horrible display of asset management, and added a 23 year old developing d-man that they're now going to throw into the deep end of that putrid defense with the expectations of being a saviour.

In no way does that series of events equate to there being no dispute that the Oilers "got better" yesterday. You need to give your head a shake, because that is a huge stretch.

Yes, because they have a surplus of forwards, and a weakness of defenseman. They traded from a position of strength to shore up their weakness.

Halls goals will be replaced, probably by a more well-rounded winger. Saying a loss of goals as a reason as to why the Oilers haven't gotten better means you don't understand hockey, because a loss of goal scoring is just as much of a problem as giving up more goals.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Yes, because they have a surplus of forwards, and a weakness of defenseman. They traded from a position of strength to shore up their weakness.

Halls goals will be replaced, probably by a more well-rounded winger. Saying a loss of goals as a reason as to why the Oilers haven't gotten better means you don't understand hockey, because a loss of goal scoring is just as much of a problem as giving up more goals.

Except you're the one assuming a 23 year old kid being thrown into the fire is going to single handedly fix their defense. That shows a huge lack of understanding as to how hockey works on your part. That is the most difficult position, and a young kid being thrown into a putrid system with all kinds of pressure is a huge question mark, not a given.

It also puts pressure on a lot of rookie forwards to replace Hall's scoring which is also by no means a given.

Lastly, suggesting they may add a more well rounded winger (when they haven't yet) further underlines they did NOT get better yesterday as you incorrectly asserted.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Would have been amazing for the Flames - although a little tough to fit both Thornton and Iginla's contracts in when the cap was only $40M or so at the time.

Darryl would have just invented the back diving contract a little sooner .... necessity is the mother of invention.

[oldschoolcalgary]

considering most GMs think there are only 14-16 "true" number one defensemen in the league currently, i'll pump the brakes on Chia calling Larsson a future number 1 dman...

[Dion]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Yes, because they have a surplus of forwards, and a weakness of defenseman. They traded from a position of strength to shore up their weakness.

Halls goals will be replaced, probably by a more well-rounded winger. Saying a loss of goals as a reason as to why the Oilers haven't gotten better means you don't understand hockey, because a loss of goal scoring is just as much of a problem as giving up more goals.

The Oilers didn't maximise the value of Hall which is why many consider this a bad trade. It doesn't address the need for a puck moving d man who can also QB the powerplay.

Chia is gambling that Larsson will live up to his potential and that to me is a huge risk considering what they had to give up.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by GoJetsGo

Except you're the one assuming a 23 year old kid being thrown into the fire is going to single handedly fix their defense. That shows a huge lack of understanding as to how hockey works on your part. That is the most difficult position, and a young kid being thrown into a putrid system with all kinds of pressure is a huge question mark, not a given.

It also puts pressure on a lot of rookie forwards to replace Hall's scoring which is also by no means a given.

Lastly, suggesting they may add a more well rounded winger (when they haven't yet) further underlines they did NOT get better yesterday as you incorrectly asserted.

Lmao. OMG, Larsson is not under any pressure to replace Hall's scoring. Only you're suggesting that, and its a ridiculous notion.

Larsson does fix their need. He's big, he's a righty, and he's a shut down guy who can log 23 minutes at least. They don't need an Oiler-bred defensemen who doesn't know the two-way side of the game. Some of the best players on the Oilers' club have been fresh faces. Talbot, Pouliout, McDavid, Maroon and Sekera. These are culture changing guys. Larsson comes from a good defensive hockey club that knows how to create good D-men.

They DID get better because they shored up their biggest weakness while only slightly altering their strength. What is so hard to comprehend? Look at their forward depth still:

Pouliot - McDavid - Yakupov
UFA - Nuge - Eberle
Maroon - Drasaitl - Puljujari
Hendricks - Lander - Kassian

If they sign one of Lucic, Ladd, Eriksson, Hudler, Nielson, Elias, Staal, or Versteeg with their 15 million dollars in cap space in order to bump Pouliot off the first line, that's a decent forward group, especially if Puljujari pans out as projected. Anybody could replace Hall's point totals playing along side McDavid too.

[MarkGio]

Originally Posted by Dion

The Oilers didn't maximise the value of Hall which is why many consider this a bad trade. It doesn't address the need for a puck moving d man who can also QB the powerplay.

Chia is gambling that Larsson will live up to his potential and that to me is a huge risk considering what they had to give up.

Yeah, and Chia admitted that if you compare the history of each player's production and contributions, he lost that trade at face value. They still need a PP quarterback for sure. They have 15 million in space though.

[Jason14h]

It's funny that having Yak and Pouliot on the top line would be anything but cause McD to request a trade by the all star game

It's ok though , we can pretend the Oilers are great on offence , even though they are always near the bottom of the league in scoring

[Husky]

As previous gm of bostom im sure hes seen larsson play way more then most flames fans.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by Husky

As previous gm of bostom im sure hes seen larsson play way more then most flames fans.

Same GM that traded away Seguin. Not sure I would trust his judgement on players

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jason14h

It's funny that having Yak and Pouliot on the top line would be anything but cause McD to request a trade by the all star game

It's ok though , we can pretend the Oilers are great on offence , even though they are always near the bottom of the league in scoring

I thought we all acknowledged the lack of competent puck moving D was a gigantic reason the forwards in Edmonton never seemed to play to their potential.

They added Larsson and look like they're adding Demers. Neither are the solution on their own. However, as I said on the last page .

Larsson-Sekera
Klefbom-Demers
Fayne-Davidson

That's an NHL defense. It's not Nashville, it's not Calgary, it's not Tampa, but it's also not a tire fire. It would instantly be the best defense Edmonton has iced since 2005.

Edmonton may not make the playoffs this year - they probably won't. That defense goes a long way to ensuring they aren't an embarrassment to their city and fans on a nightly basis.

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Lmao. OMG, Larsson is not under any pressure to replace Hall's scoring. Only you're suggesting that, and its a ridiculous notion.

Larsson does fix their need. He's big, he's a righty, and he's a shut down guy who can log 23 minutes at least. They don't need an Oiler-bred defensemen who doesn't know the two-way side of the game. Some of the best players on the Oilers' club have been fresh faces. Talbot, Pouliout, McDavid, Maroon and Sekera. These are culture changing guys. Larsson comes from a good defensive hockey club that knows how to create good D-men.

They DID get better because they shored up their biggest weakness while only slightly altering their strength. What is so hard to comprehend? Look at their forward depth still:

Pouliot - McDavid - Yakupov
UFA - Nuge - Eberle
Maroon - Drasaitl - Puljujari
Hendricks - Lander - Kassian

If they sign one of Lucic, Ladd, Eriksson, Hudler, Nielson, Elias, Staal, or Versteeg with their 15 million dollars in cap space in order to bump Pouliot off the first line, that's a decent forward group, especially if Puljujari pans out as projected. Anybody could replace Hall's point totals playing along side McDavid too.

That top 6 is pretty underwhelming if they don't get a player like Lucic.

[GoJetsGo]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Lmao. OMG, Larsson is not under any pressure to replace Hall's scoring. Only you're suggesting that, and its a ridiculous notion.

Really pointless talking to you, as your tendancy for gross overstatement is on par with your inability to read.

I clearly said Larsson is under pressure to fix Edmonton's defense, which is the worst in the NHL - as a 23 year old developing defenseman.

He does not single handedly solve their problem. In fact, it remains to be seen how a player that young will deal with the change in system, and being thrust into the spotlight as "the solution". It's a BIG question mark. Not an automatic.

2nd - and separate from the point above - is the fact that Hall was a significant driver of Edmonton's offense, which they have not yet replaced.

These are very simple points, both of which show you saying "Edmonton got better yesterday" is in no way a certainty. In fact, it's a big giant question mark.

Really couldn't be more simple.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by MarkGio

Yeah, and Chia admitted that if you compare the history of each player's production and contributions, he lost that trade at face value. They still need a PP quarterback for sure. They have 15 million in space though.

I love this comment from HF Oilers....

Originally Posted by Replacement
If you don't value and comprehend the worth of having Taylor Hall or Seguin then no, I don't trust Chia. He's now traded away two generational forwards who at one point this season were both top 4 in NHL scoring.

This is not testimony to Chia having balls, or some magical knowledge of building a team its about his arrogance, avarice, and putting his own thoughts and *wisdom* over even some of the best players on the planet worth.

We're basically viewing gall. That's what this is.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

That's an NHL defense. It's not Nashville, it's not Calgary, it's not Tampa, but it's also not a tire fire. It would instantly be the best defense Edmonton has iced since 2005.

I'm hoping you mean 2006 – the year they traded Pronger. He was kind of a wee step above anybody on that blue line even now.

[GreenLantern2814]

Originally Posted by Jay Random

I'm hoping you mean 2006 – the year they traded Pronger. He was kind of a wee step above anybody on that blue line even now.

That was the 2005-2006 season.

[Jay Random]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern2814

That was the 2005-2006 season.

Right. Which is part of ‘since 2005’. So this is not the best defence Edmonton has iced since 2005.