[Signing] Preds sign Filip Forsberg 6 years $6 mil AAV

[Cantrader]

Good to see those numbers that may help us on negotiations with Sean and Johnny

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Dr. Doom

8 years is redonk

No, it really isn't. Eight years for Monahan ensures that he remains under contract with the Flames for the first three years of UFA. If he signs for six, then he will be dramatically more costly when he hits UFA at the age of 27, and he will also be free to sign and play for any other team.

[saillias]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How do you figure that Forsberg is a step above Monahan? Both are the same age and they have practically mirrored each other in production, but Monahan has the added responsibility of playing the more difficult position.

I'm curious to hear your explanation.

It's not a knock on Monahan, but more that Forsberg is an exceptional complete talent, like a young Bergeron. He is an a) elite scorer, b) major possession driver and also manages to be stifling defensively. I have no counter-argument to the center/wing comparison. Perhaps he does have it easier on the wing.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by saillias

It's not a knock on Monahan, but more that Forsberg is an exceptional complete talent, like a young Bergeron. He is a major possession driver and also manages to be stifling defensively

These features have a great deal to do with the fact that he has played for the Nashville Predators the past two seasons and not the Calgary Flames. In the end there is really very little that separates the value of both players.

[OBCT]

Forsberg is a very talented player, and his overall impact and ability is quite comparable to Monahan. I know it's probably unpopular to say, but trying to be objective, I might actually take him over Monahan, and I am a big fan of Monahan. They're very closely matched players, regardless.

That said, if you can lock up Monahan to 8 years @ $6 million per and you're Treliving, you jump on that, I would think. I certainly would.

Same with Gaudreau, obviously. Although, I suspect Johnny will be asking for ~$8 million per, especially on a 6+ year term contract.

[Har-Calgary]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How do you figure that Forsberg is a step above Monahan? Both are the same age and they have practically mirrored each other in production, but Monahan has the added responsibility of playing the more difficult position.

I'm curious to hear your explanation.

I follow Forsberg quite a bit cuz I have him in my keeper hockey pool. He's pretty incredible, I would agree that he's closer to Gaudreau level than Mony, of course Forsberg isn't as good of a two way player as Mony, however he is a better offensive talent. Forsberg can carry a line all on his own and create offensive chances in tight situations, he's got pretty good hands and has a helluva shot, not to mention he's a far better skater. I love Mony and really hope he's a flame for life but as of right now I would say Forsberg is the better player. He did have a somewhat of disappointing playoffs tho, especially in the sharks series.

[Iniggywetrust]

Originally Posted by OBCT

Forsberg is a very talented player, and his overall impact and ability is quite comparable to Monahan. I know it's probably unpopular to say, but trying to be objective, I might actually take him over Monahan, and I am a big fan of Monahan. They're very closely matched players, regardless.

That said, if you can lock up Monahan to 8 years @ $6 million per and you're Treliving, you jump on that, I would think. I certainly would.

Same with Gaudreau, obviously. Although, I suspect Johnny will be asking for ~$8 million per, especially on a 6+ year term contract.

There seems to be a general thought that JG should be paid more than Monahan. I don't agree. While JG is a more skilled player who puts up more points, Monahan brings a more well rounded game. He also plays a more important position.

I think we get them both locked up for between 6-6.5 longer term.

[Stay Golden]

Have a feeling the Flames are going to be about 1.5m apart for quite a few weeks with resigning Johnny and Monahan. They will ask 7-7.3 per just a guess.
I think they will get the same deal.
Fingers crossed this gets finalized real soon for 6.5m 7 years.

[Da_Chief]

If they were that far apart, I don't think Monahan would have be part of the entourage at the draft. He looked relaxed and content with all the management around him. He will get signed, Trei has had a lot on his plate.

[doctajones428]

Give Johnny 6.5 instead of 7 and Monahan 6.5 instead of 6. Identical contracts, everyone's happy. Done.

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[Flames_F.T.W]

Gaudreau deserves more than Monahan IMO. His agent will have dropped the ball if he signs the same deal Monahan does (or Monahan's agent will deserve a huge raise). I think Gaudreau gets 1-1.5m more than Monahan

[Greybeard]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

There seems to be a general thought that JG should be paid more than Monahan. I don't agree. While JG is a more skilled player who puts up more points, Monahan brings a more well rounded game. He also plays a more important position.

I think we get them both locked up for between 6-6.5 longer term.

Agree. At the most Johnny gets a 1/2 million more.

[Street Pharmacist]

Originally Posted by Iniggywetrust

There seems to be a general thought that JG should be paid more than Monahan. I don't agree. While JG is a more skilled player who puts up more points, Monahan brings a more well rounded game. He also plays a more important position.

I think we get them both locked up for between 6-6.5 longer term.

JG is far more responsible for Monahan's production than the reverse. JG's value will be a fair bit higher IMO

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Presumably a player's value has something to do with the contract he's offered? They're both clearly better players. Gaudreau is a full step above. I suspect he'll get a fair bit more money.

Is he as much better as we think though? How much is systems related and the like. There likely is advanced stats evidence that may suggest who's better at possession and driving the play that could ultimately favor Gaudreau.

The old world mentality that I have suggests Forsberg really shouldn't be compared to Monahan due to the positional difference. Compared to Gaudreau, Forsberg has actually been the better goal scorer of the two in the past two years. Forsberg obviously is bigger, and has been on a more successful team.

I'm not sure if the difference here is huge though. I think the difference in contract dollar value could come down to terms. Gaudrea for 6 years will be less than Gaudreau for 8 years, question is how much, 1.5 a year?

[CroFlames]

For the people who think Monahan deserves a full million dollars less than Johnny, can you explain why?

Monahan is a centerman who already has decent faceoff stats, and has improved his overall game year over year. He is obviously a natural leader as shown by the fact that they slapped an A on him at age 20. He's scores 0.33 goals per game and Johnny's is 0.34 goals per game, while Monahan plays a much tougher position.

I actually get annoyed at the lack of recognition Monahan gets on this board. Sure Johnny is flashy, clutch and extremely talented. But the centerman position, and more precisely, the number 1 C position, is a totally different animal compared to wing.