I think what Vulcan may be getting at is, that God is beyond the ability of the human mind, and therefore science, to comprehend.
I recall at a very young age, trying to conceive what it would be like to wipe out all that I had experienced to that point in time. I recall coming to a very scary place in my mind.
I think it is conceivable that humans have not evolved to a high enough state to sense with the mind, all that exists.
I think those, that have faith in the existence God, are gifted. And many things, that happen over the course of their lives, tend to bolster that belief.
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You fundamentally misunderstand how the brain works. In case you were away that day your teacher went over all this stuff in grade three, you may want to do some extracurricular reading.
If you don't want to read that, though, this is the first sentence google spit at me when I searched 'how does the brain work?'. Honestly, this is basic stuff.
Anything you think, feel or experience happens in your brain. Without your brain, you don't have a mind.
The brain is a great tool but there is something greater than our brain or our mind.
As for you saying "Anything you think, feel or experience happens in your brain", is your belief. That isn't true from my experience.
- In a universe, so vast and impersonal, how did the conditions for life emerge on this particular planet. I recall the probability being staggeringly low.
- why did man emerge from this chaos, and why is he so at odds with himself when the other animals aren't? He is the best and worst of all animals.
- why did man emerge as the only animal with speech, and why does this unique attribute make him the cause of his own demise?
I am not making a God of gaps kind of argument but pointing out that these things seem to be so universally perplexing, and profoundly mysterious.
Regarding your first point, there's nothing perplexing at all about this. Yes the odds of the right conditions emerging on any planet are staggeringly low, but assuming it did happen on one planet then that's the planet we would be on, even if it was half way around the universe. And we'd probably call it Earth
Regarding your second and third points, man is simply more evolved than other animals. I don't believe man is unique - other animals communicate, express emotions, reason (e.g. discover and use tools), etc. Does man uniquely have self-awareness? Maybe. Is that the cause of his own demise? I didn't know man was in demise personally.
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The brain is a great tool but there is something greater than our brain or our mind.
As for you saying "Anything you think, feel or experience happens in your brain", is your belief. That isn't true from my experience.
This is unacceptable. You're in a conversation with people outside of your bubble. Many of us haven't been indoctrinated to believe made-up stories since the day we were born. If you want to contribute and if you want to be taken seriously, you can't make assertions about the way the world works without backing it up with evidence or facts.
You don't get to pretend neuroscience, neurobiology and neuropsychology just don't exist. We don't know everything about the brain, but we know a metric fata-ton more than they did hundreds and thousands of years ago. And we certainly know enough to know that indeed everything you experience, feel, think, remember, etc. takes place in the central nervous system. Remove that system and you are dead. There is nothing else happening. That isn't my belief; it's a fact based on super obvious evidence that you have no right to ignore.
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I have already done that, thanks for the info though.
I think what Vulcan may be getting at is, that God is beyond the ability of the human mind, and therefore science, to comprehend.
I recall at a very young age, trying to conceive what it would be like to wipe out all that I had experienced to that point in time. I recall coming to a very scary place in my mind.
I think it is conceivable that humans have not evolved to a high enough state to sense with the mind, all that exists.
I think those, that have faith in the existence God, are gifted. And many things, that happen over the course of their lives, tend to bolster that belief.
We are able to replicate out of body experiences, a deep spiritual experience with a helmet using magnets to various parts of the brain.
Darren Brown a famous UK magician and skeptic was able to give an atheist a very powerful religious experience, we are clearly creatures of a mind that is capable of these experiences without any outside intelligence, in fact some neuroscientists believe we evolved this religious experience as a part of evolutionary pressures, that there is a benefit of belief in the ancient hunter gatherer times.
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This is unacceptable. You're in a conversation with people outside of your bubble. Many of us haven't been indoctrinated to believe made-up stories since the day we were born. If you want to contribute and if you want to be taken seriously, you can't make assertions about the way the world works without backing it up with evidence or facts.
You don't get to pretend neuroscience, neurobiology and neuropsychology just don't exist. We don't know everything about the brain, but we know a metric fata-ton more than they did hundreds and thousands of years ago. And we certainly know enough to know that indeed everything you experience, feel, think, remember, etc. takes place in the central nervous system. Remove that system and you are dead. There is nothing else happening. That isn't my belief; it's a fact based on super obvious evidence that you have no right to ignore.
I haven't been indoctrinated with made-up stories. I was raised as an atheist in an atheist family and still don't follow any religion. You're making up who I am that fits your prejudices, although I find certain sages that seem to have similar experiences that I do, sometimes interesting. I found something that feels great so you can take my word for it or not. As I've said it comes from an experience within so there is no way I can back it up with external evidence and it's foolish to even try.
As for the question of this thread, I don't know because I haven't died yet but I'd like to think that god has more for me.
I haven't been indoctrinated with made-up stories. I was raised as an atheist in an atheist family and still don't follow any religion. You're making up who I am that fits your prejudices, although I find certain sages that seem to have similar experiences that I do, sometimes interesting. I found something that feels great so you can take my word for it or not. As I've said it comes from an experience within so there is no way I can back it up with external evidence and it's foolish to even try.
As for the question of this thread, I don't know because I haven't died yet but I'd like to think that god has more for me.
Your not religious this is one of the big reasons religion took a foothold.
The brain is a great tool but there is something greater than our brain or our mind.
As for you saying "Anything you think, feel or experience happens in your brain", is your belief. That isn't true from my experience.
"See, you think that humans breathe oxygen and can't fly. That isn't true from my experience."
You can't refer to your experience as an authority to rebut matters for which there is extensive scientific evidence. Nor can you - or at least, should you - point to our incomplete knowledge in an area as a God-of-the-gaps reason to suspect the existence of the supernatural.
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Your not religious this is one of the big reasons religion took a foothold.
FEAR...of nothing after death.
Yeah a pretty common human failing of our mind which isn't in compliance with where I want to be. It's more like be here enjoying the moment so such thoughts aren't relevant.
"See, you think that humans breathe oxygen and can't fly. That isn't true from my experience."
You can't refer to your experience as an authority to rebut matters for which there is extensive scientific evidence. Nor can you - or at least, should you - point to our incomplete knowledge in an area as a God-of-the-gaps reason to suspect the existence of the supernatural.
I'm not trying to rebut science, I'm just saying there is more.
I don't think that science even asks the question of who I am, how can I find peace, how can I enjoy this life?
