[Rumour] Flames want another top 5 pick. UPD: Flames aren't trading Hamilton

[Coach]

Originally Posted by dino7c

come on now...gotta do that one

I wouldn't. I could see why others might. But IMO the role that Hamilton plays (and could play in the future) on this team is infinitely more important than what a player like Hall brings to the table.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Red

And?

Seriously, why so hard to understand that the Oilers have more time to make their move than Treliving? If you want a 2016 draft ick, you must make that move today...wow....

If the Oilers want a #1 D it just might have to be today

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Red

And?

Seriously, why so hard to understand that the Oilers have more time to make their move than Treliving? If you want a 2016 draft ick, you must make that move today...wow....

But wanting it doesn't make it a necessity. And so why would you trade necessary pieces (like Hamilton) for it?

[Red]

Originally Posted by MattyC

The trade offers have to be ridiculous to give up a 23 year old defenseman on the cusp of top-pairing status. It really just makes no sense at all for a team in the Flames position to move him. Which is why the offer has to be ridiculous to even consider it.

I wouldn't trade Hamilton for #4+Hall, much less the other way around. You get a worse player, who is older from a poisonous organization which he has played a large part in poisoning, and the HOPE that #4 will turn into a half decent player, which is not even close to guaranteed.



How's that?

Maybe work a trade with the Flames for Dougie Hamilton? That door doesn't close today, does it?

[Hockeyguy15]

Originally Posted by Red

Hamilton is no more proven as a #1 than a 4th pick that Treliving wants. And again, Treliving is on a clock here more than Chiarelli. 6 hours left to move up.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Red

Maybe work a trade with the Flames for Dougie Hamilton? That door doesn't close today, does it?

Frankly, I don't believe that door is open unless the trade is an obvious win for the Flames. Particularly to their biggest rival.

[Hot_Flatus]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

I too will bet your account that Hamilton is not traded. Anyone else on board? Stryker's taking one for the team.

If Hamilton is being traded, it will have something to do with a goalie and be part of a much larger deal than moving up a spot or two in the draft. I can't see the organization being willing to part with an asset that they valued enough to trade a first round pick for last year already in a move up scheme.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by MattyC

I wouldn't. I could see why others might. But IMO the role that Hamilton plays (and could play in the future) on this team is infinitely more important than what a player like Hall brings to the table.

You could trade hall
you could trade 4

Asset wise you HAVE to trade DH for Hall and #4

value wise its an absolute steal for the Flames...there is no way the Oilers do it so its not really worth the argument I guess

[Red]

Originally Posted by MattyC

But wanting it doesn't make it a necessity. And so why would you trade necessary pieces (like Hamilton) for it?

Who said necessity? Did I say it was necessary to trade him? Did I even say it was a good idea to do so? Did I say anything about trading Hamilton other that some of people here vastly overrate his value?

Come on now....lets have a discussion and not a pissing contest.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Red

Maybe work a trade with the Flames for Dougie Hamilton? That door doesn't close today, does it?

Considering it would take #4 plus the door does close today

its fine, take all the time you guys need...go into the season with a team of flashy forwards again and see how that works out for the 10th year? 11th?

[Red]

Originally Posted by dino7c

If the Oilers want a #1 D it just might have to be today

How so?

Can't the Flames work a deal for Hamilton next week or month?

Any other Dmen out there or are the Flames the only team with a potential #1?

[Pipty]

what if we trade Hamilton and 6th for 4th and Draisatl

then send drai to cbj for their 3rd

so what is better Hamilton/Nylander or Pul/juolevi

[Red]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Considering it would take #4 plus the door does close today

Right, because the Oilers could not make a package that does not include a #4 in 2016 entry draft. What if they pick the guy Treliving wants?

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Red

How so?

Can't the Flames work a deal for Hamilton next week or month?

Any other Dmen out there or are the Flames the only team with a potential #1?

I can't imagine a team trading a top d-man without a high end pick involved...#4 plus is the only thing I can even fathom

so no, can't be next week

[jg13]

nvm

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Red

Stay on topic. We are discussing a Flames Oilers trade that sees Treliving with the 4th overall pick. Not some other scenarios.
And no, I am not saying that Treliving has to make a trade. I am just commenting on the ridiculous offers that are being discussed if a trade were to happen.

The ridiculous ideas being floated all around this should indicate something about the chance that Hamilton will be traded to the Edmonton Oilers. It is not happening.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Pipty

what if we trade Hamilton and 6th for 4th and Draisatl

then send drai to cbj for their 3rd

so what is better Hamilton/Nylander or Pul/juolevi

I would do that

[Red]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

The ridiculous ideas being floated all around this should indicate something about the chance that Hamilton will be traded to the Edmonton Oilers. It is not happening.

Agree there.

[Roof-Daddy]

lol this thread has become pretty much unreadable garbage.

[Coach]

Originally Posted by Red

Who said necessity? Did I say it was necessary to trade him? Did I even say it was a good idea to do so? Did I say anything about trading Hamilton other that some of people here vastly overrate his value?

Come on now....lets have a discussion and not a pissing contest.

Lol not sure where you're getting a "pissing contest" other than people disagreeing with you about the value of Hamilton.

The value is not based on Hamilton himself, its based on the needs of the two trading parties, their relationships to each other, the timing, what the trading partner has the ability to trade etc..

Hamilton for the #4 OA really only helps the Oilers. The player available at #4 is not projected to be much (if at all) better than the player at #6. So you make a trade for a pick that really holds no value to your franchise, while giving up a player that you need. As soon as we trade Hamilton, we now need a player exactly like him. So you can take the risk that one of the players you choose at #4 or #6 becomes what he is, or you can just keep him and pick at #6 and not help your biggest rival acquire exactly what they need.

I think you're really overvaluing #4. Like, big time.