Brexit- Update: Britain has voted to leave the EU

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Yeah all of this blaming of white people being racist is in itself a bunch of racial stereotyping BS.

As the chart above shows, let's blame the real culprits: old uneducated idiots.

EDIT: From last page, that FlameOn posted.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by peter12

Funnily enough, most of the perpetrators are white elitists.

That's true to an extent. There seems to be a growing amount of white elitists that loath the white lower class.

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Japan didn't colonize the world, pillage its resources, and leave it to fend for itself either.

But really, not for a lack of trying.

And the Empire leaving wasn't so much something that the UK wanted to as it had to do because after two expensive wars, it no longer was capable of controlling large parts of the world.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

The vast majority of those immigrants are white Poles, Hungarians, Croatia, and other Eastern Europeans.

And many of the countries on the tail of the EU are seeing a brain drain as result. It's not just the low-skilled labour that leaves for greener pastures of the UK and Germany.

[Puppet Guy]

this just in - the first casualty of the Brexit:

Spoiler!

[FlameOn]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

Man it's becoming way too easy and accepted to blame Caucasians for being a group of racist elitists.

Data shows is much more an cranky, old and uneducated problem than anything else. Basically a big FU by baby boomers who reaped benefits of social programs and cheap property in their youth, dismantling those programs in their old age and now burning the bridges of opportunity behind them.

The old have the least to lose economically by this and voted overwhelming to screw over the economic opportunities of the generation that followed.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by peter12

No, but they also didn't export some of the best political, legal, and constitutional principles either.

And for this, I am grateful.

[nik-]

I see this less racists than old people who want to restore the glory of the UK and not accepting that it's long gone.

I mean the empire has been gone for 70 years, let it go.

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

And yet everyone who loves to blab about "Washington is broken" doesn't actually really think that at all considering Congress has had, pretty much forever, a 90% incumbent winner rate. People hate other people's congresspeople, but view their own as being fine. Even this election cycle, the alleged cycle of being "anti-establishment", I think I saw there were 209 primaries held so far, and in 205 of them the incumbent candidate won.

People just are easy to prey on emotionally. That's been the GOP calling card for years, and it was the calling card of the Leave side. People are willing to go against their own interest if you can create a sense of fear in them about irrelevant, emotionally based issues. That and the stupidest ####ing trend in recent history, politics by meme'ing. That's scarily and sadly how many get their "facts".

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I agree people say that. But its just empty words. Its just people lashing out and most of the lashing out comes from people with incompatible goals like - fix inequality but don't raise taxes or interfere with our lives.

Unemployment is the US basically at the same point it was pre-2008 crash so the jobs thing is pretty much out the window.

i think it's a bit different this time. The fact that republicans lost to Trump could mean one of 2 things.

1. They ride the Trump wave and piggyback back into the House.
2. Trump loses in a landslide and Democrats win 2/3s of the House

Heck if it turns out that Trump is garbage remember that the Republicans lost to that garbage. We will see if Washington is truly broken or not.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I can't find the image now, but one of the British media (the Telegraph?) had a word cloud of the most important issues for people on each side. The remain campaign was "economy". The dominating theme for leave was "immigration". It may be unfair to categorize most leave supporters as racist - overtly, at least - but the simple reality is that it is no coincidence that this happened at a time when the EU is dealing with a massive flood of 'undesirables' from brown countries.

http://forum.calgarypuck.com/showpos...&postcount=189

[accord1999]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Older generation voted for a future the younger did not want. Younger generation will have to live with the implications longest.

While I'm sure the younger demographics overall wanted to stay in the EU, those exact values may be in debate given how the research firm, YouGov, was wrong about the referendum results and the last general election.

[Barnet Flame]

Originally Posted by nik-

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0260242c-3...#axzz4CVl0Wc92

Read.

Stop getting duped.

The economic claim was never valid. If you want to put more weight on sovereignty and immigration, I totally accept that. You're not going to win on economics because no one except the Brexit vote committees agree with you. That article is just literal stating the claims of the Brexiters. Repeating their claims in a Vox article isn't proof.

Not even Brexteers could agree with him.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ero445tN598

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by FlameOn

Data shows is much more an cranky, old and uneducated problem than anything else. Basically a big FU by baby boomers who reaped benefits of social programs and cheap property in their youth, dismantling those programs in their old age and now burning the bridges of opportunity behind them.

The old have the least to lose economically by this and voted overwhelming to screw over the economic opportunities of the generation that followed.

The thing is that it's not like it was unanimous amongst the younger generation. It appears by those statistics that a majority of the younger generation wanted to stay but that doesn't make up a country and everyone's vote counts the same as any other regardless of age.

[chemgear]

Originally Posted by Puppet Guy

this just in - the first casualty of the Brexit:

My first thought was actually the British MP Jo Cox that was murdered by Britain First.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Japan didn't colonize the world, pillage its resources, and leave it to fend for itself either.

Not the whole world, no. Just Manchuria, China, Korea, the Philippines, Indonesia, Vietnam, and Thailand.

And Britain didn't colonize and pillage Eastern and Southern Europe, where most of the EU immigrants flooding into the country come from. When Poland joined the EU in the 2004, the British government forecast 80K Poles would immigrate to the UK over the next decade. 600K came. No doubt they were good for the economy on the whole. But those numbers didn't inspire a lot of confidence that anyone really understood are was in control of the situation.

[Zulu29]

Originally Posted by Resolute 14

I can't find the image now, but one of the British media (the Telegraph?) had a word cloud of the most important issues for people on each side. The remain campaign was "economy". The dominating theme for leave was "immigration". It may be unfair to categorize most leave supporters as racist - overtly, at least - but the simple reality is that it is no coincidence that this happened at a time when the EU is dealing with a massive flood of 'undesirables' from brown countries.

Certainly there are many reasons intertwined with this vote - including the EU's power struggle and what-not. But everyone knows what drove this vote. Pretending otherwise is counterproductive.

But is the resistance to mass immigration to Europe simply about racism? Or are there concerns of overburdening social programs, health, welfare,etc.

[Coach]

It seems crazy to me to have something so incredibly important to be decided by a 1% difference in voting. You'd think there would have to be a 60% majority or something.

[Senator Clay Davis]

Hmmm, wonder how he feels about this now (from mid-May)

Nigel Farage warns today he would fight for a second referendum on Britain in Europe if the remain campaign won by a narrow margin next month.

The Ukip leader said a small defeat for his leave camp would be “unfinished business” and predicted pressure would grow for a re-run of the 23 June ballot.

Farage told the Mirror: “In a 52-48 referendum this would be unfinished business by a long way. If the remain campaign win two-thirds to one-third that ends it.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...arebar_twitter

[nik-]

Originally Posted by Senator Clay Davis

Hmmm, wonder how he feels about this now (from mid-May)



http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news...arebar_twitter

Nope, now it's just a victory for normal people, for good people, for decent people.

[RubberDuck]

Originally Posted by Zulu29

But is the resistance to mass immigration to Europe simply about racism? Or are there concerns of overburdening social programs, health, welfare,etc.

No it's pretty simple...you are a racist for even questioning that.