[Trade] Panthers acquire rights to Yandle for a 6th + 4th. Signed 7 yrs, $6.35 AAV

[Karl]

Yandle may still be a good player right now but this is a bad contract, and it has the potential to become really stinky real soon given that Yandle is 30 and his play could fall off a cliff, plus this has a NMC attached for the first 6 years of it.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by skudr248

Panthers fan's on their boards are very happy with the deal... lolz

Not this one.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by bandwagon surfer

with what defensemen are signing for right now i am feeling much better about his contact. I do not think he fits with the flames anymore as we have younger players pushing him down the roster. But in the last few days i have become much more optimistic that another team will want wideman as an offensive defenseman and see his contract as slightly less bad.

fify.

[ricardodw]

Will the Panthers be better or worse with Yandle 6.35 replacing Campbell @ 7.14 AND Matheson @ 925k replacing Gudbranson @ 3.5M?

How does someone think that Yandle's contract that lasts until he is 36 is a CBA event when the Flames have Giordano's that is for .5M more and lasts until he is 38?

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Horrible contract for a one way defenceman. If this is what the new stats regime in FLA is going to do Id be scared as a Panthers fan. The deal already looks like an albatross and there's still 7 years left!

Mind blowingly bad.

Russell should get $5.5 easily with the Goligoski and Yandle deals.

[Flames Draft Watcher]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Will the Panthers be better or worse with Yandle 6.35 replacing Campbell @ 7.14 AND Matheson @ 925k replacing Gudbranson @ 3.5M?

How does someone think that Yandle's contract that lasts until he is 35 is a CBA event when the Flames have Giordano's that is for .5M more and lasts until he is 38?

Giordano is 5 times the defencman that Yandle is.

[jaikorven]

Originally Posted by Flames Draft Watcher

Giordano is 5 times the defencman that Yandle is.

Simply this.

[Saqe]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

How does someone think that Yandle's contract that lasts until he is 35 is a CBA event when the Flames have Giordano's that is for .5M more and lasts until he is 38?

Yandle's contract ends when he is 36. The term is too long but that's the price you pay when you don't have to give up assets in UFA.

I'd still say it's a pretty safe bet, he hasn't missed a game in 7 seasons and doesn't play the type of game that would cause a lot of wear and tear. I'd be much more worried about Gio who has gone through a ton of injuries.

[Enoch Root]

Yandle is an offensive defenseman. The moment he loses a step, he's an anchor.

Giordano has very low mileage for a 32 year old. And he is in freakish shape.

Giordano is a complete defenseman and will still be an excellent defenseman when his offensive numbers start to slide. The same simply cannot be said about Yandle.

Trying to compare Giordano and Yandle is like comparing Kopitar to Spezza. THey might put up similar numbers, but they are not similar players. Without the points, Kopitar is still a great player. Spezza, not so much.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yandle is an offensive defenseman. The moment he loses a step, he's an anchor.

Giordano has very low mileage for a 32 year old. And he is in freakish shape.

Giordano is a complete defenseman and will still be an excellent defenseman when his offensive numbers start to slide. The same simply cannot be said about Yandle.

Trying to compare Giordano and Yandle is like comparing Kopitar to Spezza. THey might put up similar numbers, but they are not similar players. Without the points, Kopitar is still a great player. Spezza, not so much.

Yandle is going to look like how Wideman usually looked on the ice last year when he loses his skating steps. Going to be very painful to watch.

[EVERLAST]

isnt this like the Wade Redden deal

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Karl

Yandle is going to look like how Wideman usually looked on the ice last year when he loses his skating steps. Going to be very painful to watch.

Wideman can't skate like Yandle on his worst day, even in Wideman's dreams.

[Karl]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Wideman can't skate like Yandle on his worst day, even in Wideman's dreams.

This is true. Very true I'd have to admit.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Yandle is an offensive defenseman. The moment he loses a step, he's an anchor.

Giordano has very low mileage for a 32 year old. And he is in freakish shape.

Giordano is a complete defenseman and will still be an excellent defenseman when his offensive numbers start to slide. The same simply cannot be said about Yandle.

Trying to compare Giordano and Yandle is like comparing Kopitar to Spezza. THey might put up similar numbers, but they are not similar players. Without the points, Kopitar is still a great player. Spezza, not so much.

First of all I am and have been a big Gio fan for a long time.

Gio was NOT considered an excellent d-man before his offensive numbers took off in the Hartley era.

The biggest argument from the pro-Bouwmeester crowd was that the Flames had no other d-man capable of playing on the top pairing against the other teams top line. That was when Gio was 29 years old.

The rest of the "experts" do not think he is near as good as he is held on CP.

In the recent (2016) Norris voting where Gio played 82 games and had his career year scoring he had exactly 1 vote in the Norris as a top 5 d-man in the league. Gio was #2 in Goal scoring as a d-man and #6 in points. Norris voters usually have a bias towards offensive d-men... they sure didn't have a bias for Gio.

By low mileage are you referring to his lack of playoff games? I do not consider missing 20 games a year due to injury to be a sign of low mileage.

Gio is a great defenseman ... It will be extremely hard for him to perform to the level that he is now getting paid

[Enoch Root]

Yes, Giordano was considered an excellent defenseman before he broke out offensively. And the reason he didn't get many Norris votes was because the Flames sucked and he had a slow start. Had he not gotten hurt the prior year (playing the same as he did for the 2nd half of this year) he would have been top 2 for Norris voting.

And yes, the rest of the experts do think he is excellent

And drink on the Bouwmeester reference!

[nik-]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Gio is a great defenseman ... It will be extremely hard for him to perform to the level that he is now getting paid

Not when we get to compare his pay to play with Yandle type contracts now.

Thanks Florida.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Will the Panthers be better or worse with Yandle 6.35 replacing Campbell @ 7.14 AND Matheson @ 925k replacing Gudbranson @ 3.5M?

Only going to address this because the other question you asked has been answered....and it was a little on the silly side too.

IMO, they will be better, but that's mostly because Matheson is a much better all-around defenseman than Gudbranson. Yandle for Campbell is a wash, but at least Yandle is about a decade younger, and the deal is cheaper. However, I've been looking at the expiration of Campbell's contract as a moment where this team could start to finally get out from some of the bad contracts it's had over the years just to fill out a team, only to find the team go right back to handing out bad contracts.

I get that you might have to pay more to get a UFA to play in Florida, but handing out NMCs right before the upcoming expansion draft makes me question whether the management has been keeping up on current events in the NHL. Unconscionable. Here's the defense for the Panthers unless something changes before the next year.

Ekblad: Requires protection
Kulikov: Requires protection
Matheson: MAY require protection depending on the interpretation of the rules. Last year was technically his 2nd pro season, but he had all of 8 games between both years due to injury.
Petrovic: Requires protection
Yandle: Protection mandated

I assume the Kulikov trade rumors are true, because otherwise you're giving up a great young defenseman one way or another, simply because you added the NMC. Brilliant.

[bigrangy]

I have to say I agree (*shivers*) with Ricardo here. Yandle (and Gio) are great defensemen, and UFA's get paaaaaaaid. Both of their contracts have serious potential to hurt a team in the later years, even though I'm of the opinion that both players will play at a high level for the duration of their contracts. Yandle is exactly what the Panthers need, an elite puck moving defensemen to take the load off their group of way-above-average defensive centers. This is a move a contending team makes when it wants to step up nd play with the big boys.

As (*shivers*) s7ark said on HF, sometimes teams need to worry about the future in the future. Florida's window is open while Luongo is still an elite goalie. Asset management is necessry and important when you're a rebuilding club, but this is an obvious sign by Florida management that the rebuild is over, it's time to win.

[Enoch Root]

And the Panthers don't want to go the 8 skates routs - too many good forwards

They're not just paying Yandle too much, it will also cost them another Dman.

Yikes.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

I have to say I agree (*shivers*) with Ricardo here. Yandle (and Gio) are great defensemen, and UFA's get paaaaaaaid. Both of their contracts have serious potential to hurt a team in the later years, even though I'm of the opinion that both players will play at a high level for the duration of their contracts...

The problem with ricoardodw's is not his insinuation about the poor value of Giordano's last years on his contract; I think we all agree that beyond age 35 he will be overpaid for what he is likely to contribute on the ice. The problem is with drawing a comparison of Yandle's deal to Giordano's in an effort to provide the illusion of a lower value to it. Yandle IS NOT remotely as good of a player as Giordano, and he will be paid more money for a longer term to play a game that he is not as good at playing. By every stretch of the imagination Giordano's contract is a better deal than Yandle's. That is all.